Does it really matter if Jesus is God? What if the trinity idea was not the headache inducing, theological
trainwreck that people have been disecting for decades? I look at the trinity as a way to understand God
while covering all the bases, if that makes any sense. As long as you are born again with Jesus, and have a
personal relationship with him according to John 3:3, then I leave the rest up to God. Once you have that,
then it does not matter about the trintiy because after all, it is not the rules of men that we obey or
disobey that gives us our salvation, right?
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The Trinity... is it a false teaching as the WTBTS claims?
by Honesty inin the old testament god revealed himself to his chosen people, the israelites as i am:.
ex 3:14-15 - god replied to moses, i am who i am.
this is what you are to say to the israelites: i am .
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Best Committee Meeting Yet - They threatened to call the police on me!
by SickofLies inyeee haaa!
i'm an outlaw now!
the elders warned me that if any i talk about anything said in the judicial committee or post any pictures i've taken, i'm in big trouble and i don't want these people as enimies!
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"It was difficult for me to understand your goal with this drama. Entertainment, revenge, or an elder circle jerk?"
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Saturday District Convention notes: Don't research JW's online!!!!
by truthseeker inwith two thirds of my sentence complete, i am almost ready for parole.. there was some unbelievable stuff said today - i think there must be some sort of hallucinogenic gas coming through the ac, because no one batted an eyelid over what was said from the platform.. as usual, i will highlight the main talks.. .
saturday.
"deliver us from the wicked one and from every sort of lawlessness" - matt 6:13, titus 2:14. .
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Blondie, I love your seal metaphor! The vacant expressions in the eyes are exactly the same as the JWs look!
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WTS requesting insurance checks? Verification?
by EscapedLifer1 ini have read comments on several threads about the wts policy on asking folks whose homes have been repaired/rebuilt by jw volunteers to sign over their insurance checks to the wts?.
is there any kind of paper proof of this policy anywhere?
any further details would be kindly appreciated!!.
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It sounds like everyone has had a different experience with the insurance checks and the elders, all of
which are no doubt true, but the fact remains that no matter how you slice it, the Watchtower always
profits. That sounds neither faithful nor discreet to me.
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Armageddon, Inc (1940) - The last critical article there was on JWs!
by VM44 in"armageddon, inc" was an article published in the september 14, 1940 issue of the saturday evening post.. it was written by stanley high and was a critical review of the jehovah's witness religion as it was then.. this was 65 years ago, and i do not know of _any_ articles since then that have been published in a major magazine that attempt to analyze or examine the jehovah's witnesses!.
there have been many articles published over the years about jws, particularly when conventions are being held in a town.
the local papers will usually do stories about them.
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Maybe people are just not that interested, which is a sad thing because there is enough information here to
last a lifetime.
Someday, somehow, the Watchtower will pay dearly for their crimes against humanity for over a century. -
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by truthseeker inwith two thirds of my sentence complete, i am almost ready for parole.. there was some unbelievable stuff said today - i think there must be some sort of hallucinogenic gas coming through the ac, because no one batted an eyelid over what was said from the platform.. as usual, i will highlight the main talks.. .
saturday.
"deliver us from the wicked one and from every sort of lawlessness" - matt 6:13, titus 2:14. .
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Truthseeker, you are fantastic. It looks like the Borg are using a thinly disguised, slightly new method of arguing a very, very old arguement. Time to rotate our shield modulations, HE HE HE.
This whole convention reeks of fear and desperation. The part about the college bashing is classic bait and
switch. They lecture and shove your opinions down your throat and finish off by saying "don't you agree how
wonderful this is?" Granted, college can be a bad infulence with drugs and partying, but it all depends on
the individual. College is just like everything else in life. You get out of it what you put into it. Sure
it's stressful and at times very competitive. But the rewards are far greater than the risks. That's what's
so confusing to young JWs. Today, all we hear about is go to college. I think young people can see the
difference once they begin to research it themselves. They can see through the Watchtower crap because the
most inportant thing you'll get out of your education is the ability to see through the crap, so that NO
ONE WILL THINK FOR YOU.
I'm not just saying this. I am a college sophmore myself, and I can assure you, all my time is spent
either in class, the library, or at work. It is insulting to hear the WT dismiss higher education in one
biased, ill-educated sentence. Ironically, all free time I have is spent researching sites like this one
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WATCHTOWER "CODE" pedophile uses Magazine
by DannyHaszard inreligious magazine used in evidence-tampering plot
palm beach post, united states - 4 hours ago .
... inmate anthony rotella on thursday on an evidence-tampering charge after he used a code he created from a paragraph in a jehovah's witnesses watchtower ... .
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If this wasn't so disgusting, it would almost be funny. Gee, I wonder how you could find coded messages of
child molestation in the Watchtower magazine? I just happened to stumble on this quote for all your
reading pleasure!
The Watchtower 1st November 1995, pages 25-29
"What of the Alleged Abuser?
A person who actually abuses a child sexually is a rapist and should be viewed as such. Anyone victimized in this way has the right to accuse his abuser. Still, an accusation should not be made hastily if it is based solely on "repressed memories" of abuse. In this case the most important thing is for the sufferer to regain a degree of emotional stability. After the passage of some time, he may be in a better position to assess the "memories" and decide what, if anything, he wants to do about them. If there is some valid reason to suspect that the alleged perpetrator is still abusing children, a warning may have to be given. The congregation elders can help in such a case. Otherwise, take your time. Eventually, you may be content to let the matter drop. If, though, you want to confront the alleged perpetrator (after first assessing how you would feel about the possible responses), you have a right to do so.
What if the sufferer decides that he wants to make an accusation? Then the two elders can advise him that, in line with the principle in Matthew 18:15, he should personally approach the accused about the matter. If the accuser is not emotionally able to do this face-to-face, it can be done by telephone or perhaps by writing a letter. In this way the one accused is given the opportunity to go on record before Jehovah with his answer to the accusation. He may even be able to present evidence that he could not have committed the abuse. Or perhaps the one accused will confess, and a reconciliation may be achieved. What a blessing that would be!
If the accusation is denied, the elders should explain to the accuser that nothing more can be done in a judicial way. And the congregation will continue to view the one accused as an innocent person. The Bible says that there must be two or three witnesses before judicial action can be taken (2 Corinthians 13:1; 1 Timothy 5:19). Even if more than one person "remembers" abuse by the same individual, the nature of these recalls is just too uncertain to base judicial decisions on them without other supporting evidence. This does not mean that such "memories" are viewed as false (or that they are viewed as true). But Bible principles must be followed in establishing a matter judicially.
What if the one accused "though denying the wrongdoing" is really guilty? Does he "get away with it," as it were? Certainly not! The question of his guilt or innocence can be safely left in Jehovah's hands."
(end quote)
Now where would be the code in that?! Somebody page Professor Robert Langdon because there's a fly in my
spiritual food! I think they have a way of taking care of guys like this in prison. Now if you will excuse
me, I have get back to de-coding my Botticelli painting.
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JWs Called at my House This Morning
by Seeker4 inhere it was memorial day morning, and i'm out in the front yard watering the gardens when i hear a car pulling up the driveway.
it pulls into our section of the drive and i see it's a witness couple i know in the front seat.
the wife is driving and they spot me right off.
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Hey Hondo, I might have an answer for you. A big trend in my mom's congregation is phone witnessing. About once a month the study groups get together and comb through the obituaries. They pick out accidental deaths, suicides, usually young people where the family's grief is obviously more strong. Instead of calling to offer condolences, they give their speal about resurection and paradise, manipulating people at a vulnerable time. I've heard my mom do this, and I tell you the responses are explosive. Imagine losing your son or daughter and having one of these jokers pay you a "sympathy call."
There are many reasons they do this, the biggest being to cheat on their time cards, and unfortunately this method sometimes works. Of course they would never say it like this, nor would they ever write to the families, in case of any legal action. Clever, huh? -
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JWs Called at my House This Morning
by Seeker4 inhere it was memorial day morning, and i'm out in the front yard watering the gardens when i hear a car pulling up the driveway.
it pulls into our section of the drive and i see it's a witness couple i know in the front seat.
the wife is driving and they spot me right off.
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Wow that sounds like the dubs typical paranoia. The other night I tried to get my mom to read Crisis of Conscience, at least the first page or the back cover. I said that if the WTS was telling the truth than this should be easy to prove wrong. I tried every possible way to make her see the truth, I even appealed to her vanity, saying that this was her big opportunity to prove all the aposates wrong, but it was too late, she had already heard of Ray Franz, "the chief aposate."
She never once considered the possibility that maybe this has something important to say, that reguardless of the subjest matter she should read it because I'm her son and I deserve her respect. But the Watchtower spits on family because the one thing they hate and fear the most is unconditional love.
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Did Russell ask that no publications be written after he died?
by ackack inthere is a debate brewing on wikipedia over whether russell's will stated that no new publications be made by the watchtower society, and if rutherford violated his will.. the relevant portion from his will reads:as the society has already pledged to me that it will publish no other periodicals, it shall also be required that the editorial committee shall write for or be connected with no other publications in any manner or degree.. .
what's your opinion?.
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Thanks Leolaia. Yes, this is sad to read but is it really that surprising? I mean it's Rutherford we're
talking about here. He would sell his own mother to build an extension on Beth Sarim, which for all we know
he probably did. Can you expext anything more from a guy who wormed his way into control of the Watchtower
mere months after Russell's death? The sucker probably wasen't even cold yet.
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