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stupid things jws do

by logic in

i like this site because you can say what is the truth, the things you would like to stand up in the congregation and say.

for just a few: the last par.

in the watchtower study says "what are we going to study in the next article" and then some moron always raises his hand and answers....... calling everyone by brother this and brother that.

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I'm not a JW but I've always found the most annoying thing about them was they way they looked down on others for no good reason.

For example, when my brother used to borrow my mom's car for school, and when he was a half hour late returning it cause he had errands to run just like everybody else, and my mom was waiting to go to her meeting, she and her friends would say stupid things like: "Satan is blinding the entire world, especially your son because your car is late."

They would think of the most absurd excuses to rant about how persecuted they all were. They convince themselves that the whole world is evil and out to get them, and no one gets off on it more than my mom. If she can't find her car keys she'll shout "You're out to get me aren't you"? When I asked who she was talking too, she said Satan. She loves comparing herself to Linda Hamilton from The Terminator, like she's some kind of warrior for "the truth."

I mean, what can you say to that?

If it wasn't so sick, it would be funny. The underlying current I sensed in all these people is that they had given up on life. Think about it a moment, what are they really saying? On the surface it sounds like they have so much hope and they're so happy, but it's all just a cop-out. When my mom says how tired she is, keeping up with the other JW's at the hall, I said that was her choice. She said, it's not her, it's "this system of things."

So I said, "Oh, that's really mature mom. What are you, five years old? You wanna blame the whole world cause you're exhausted slaving away with the works of men who you don't know and who don't give a shit about you, and you think that makes you better than everyone else? How far would I get in life if I constantly whined that I failed my test cause the teacher hates me, or I can't do my homework cause the whole school is against me. Wise up mom, you're in the real world, and it's time you start acting your age."

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I Was Raised In "The Truth" And Am A Survivor Of Incest - shocking

by Dogpatch in

the following is such a heartbreaking story it brought tears to my eyes, how someone (and his wife) could be such a monster.

email melanie and tell her how you feel.

her picture and name and email are on my website:.

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Hi Mike, hi Randy, it's good to see you guys again.

As I read this story, I became very ill and unfortunately I was in a public library at the time. I felt a sharp pain in my head and fought the urge to vomit as I read what her parents did to her. Somehow, I could feel her pain, and my own childhood memories came back to me in a rush that was too much to bear...

I just can't understand why anyone would hurt a child so badly and then try to pretend it never happened. I can't say anymore, I'm completely disgusted.

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My life after Bethel

by new boy in

thank you for this place in cyber space, this is therapy for me.

there is something about writing things down, that helps put things in perspective........ the day i left it was pouring rain........i really screwed up, i found out the night before, as i was packing things up, that i had way under estimated how much stuff i had.

i had two large suit cases (that i could barely shut the lids on) and a large army duffel bag.

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NewBoy, that part about you showing your wife off to the rest of the guys at Bethel was really disturbing. I don't mean you personally, but just who do those people think they are? They actually let the "elders" tell them how to run their personal lives? That is so sick on so many levels. In a totalitarian atmosphere like that, you end up treating eachother, especially women, like animals or property. No wonder you hated it.

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Turn away from these wicked ways!

by Proud Witness in

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well as you would have guessed from my name, i am a proud witness and i feel obliged to preach to you about the promises that our wonderful creator, jehovah god, has promised each and every one of us, of any race or background.

i know that you already know what he has told us through his word, but i am curious to wonder why you have chosen to jump off the narrow road which leads to everlasting life.

is it because you have had a bad experience in god's organization?

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Ok, I'm a little confused. Was this whole topic just a joke to get a rise out of people? Is this girl actually serious? Why did she disappear after only a few posts? But more importantly, what am I doing on a three year old thread?

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The Delusion of Certitude

by IsaacJS2 in

the delusion of certitude pt 1. and how we, the "the lost sheep," help them maintain it.

no one has enough information about the universe to truly know if they have "the truth.

" to me, anyone who claims to have the absolute, ultimate truth of everything is literally claiming to have absolute knowledge.

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Good afternoon Isaac and welcome to the board!

I've said many times here before that I believe the ideal witness is one who is mostly unaware that the Watchtower even exists. To them, it's their mother, and you never question your mother. That's how the Watchtower likes them. So as a result, many of those who end up being disfellowshipped are those who believed the JW message the most, those who were the most dedicated ones. They felt their faith was an impregnable shield, just the way Mother wants them to feel, but in their hunger to find all the knowledge of the Watchtower, they unintentionally stumbled upon the REAL TRUTH. At some point along the way, their faith and confidence comes crashing down around them like a house of cards.

My mother is the perfect ideal witness. She bounces out of bed every morning (as much bouncing as she can muster being a handicapped single woman of 60 with slowly decling health), and I've literally heard her proclaim to an empty room, "ah! another day of saving lives! I can't wait!!!"

She's energetic, enthuastic, pushy, arrogant, and unaware of the much more important things that need to be done during the day. She poineeres at least 20 hours a week. She goes to all the meetings, and like every good witness, she knows exactly when to fall asleep. She'll doze off doing her sunday Watchtower and wake up and underline the answer in a hurry as if God is peeking over her shoulder. I often wonder how the message of the good news, God's kingdom rule come to Earth, and the vital importance of the preaching work, can be so sinfully boring. On some level, she knows the elders are using her as bait because it's harder for a stranger to slam the door in the face of a woman in a wheelchair. And just as you said, she loves it. It reaffirms her narrow-minded world view that she is right and the world is wrong. After all, how could it hurt you when it feels so good?

However, the moment you start talking to her about the Watchtower itself, trying to get her to examine their teachings from an objective point of view, her mouth slowly droops open, her eyes glaze over and slide out of focus. When you show her facts, concrete evidence of the endless indescretions of the Watchtower, she goes into zombie mode, spitting out phrases like "we're not the ones who are saying it, the Bible is!"

Suddenly, it's like the Watchtower doesn't exist anymore, yet just five seconds ago she was spouting their teachings as if they were God himself. And then something interesting happens, something that is the final nail in the coffin of our conversation. She shakes her head and a slight smile plays across her face and she gives me the most kind, gentle, pitiful, and revolting look anyone ever gives me. She is pitying me, I'm such a poor fool that I'm rejecting the truth and will be destroyed by God at any second.

I bet you know that look. It's the look you give your favorite pet when he doesn't know he's about to be put to sleep. It's the look you give a six year old child when they don't understand their daddy is going to jail and never coming back. It's the look the person you love gives you when you tell them your feelings for the first time, and you know they want nothing to do with you no matter how nice they let you down. I hate that look more than anything in the world, and my mom gives it to me every single day.

So, I know what you mean by the delusion of certitude. If only the Watchtower weren't so blindly convinced of their own superiority, I would still have a mother today.

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How Far Up The "Ranks" Did You Go In The Organization?

by minimus in

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at age 18, i was a regular pioneer.

at 20, a ministerial servant.

at 24 an elder.

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I remember a few years back when the Mormons came to our door and my mom practically wet herself from excitment at having such enthuastic listeners. After bantering their beliefs back and forth, I meanwhile was trying to keep a straight face, she asked them a rather dumb question.

"How do you all get to be elders in a position of responsibility at such a young age?"

She failed to see the irony that people in her organization were bapitsed at age 12 and 14, became "ministerial servants" by 20, elders by 25, and so on. They can point fingers at my religion until they're blue in the face, which they always do, but at least my priests all have a doctorate in divinity from an accredited academic institution.

I mean no disrespect to the people here, you know I love you all. It just seems crazy to me that the Watchtower convinced so many honest people to put their faith in an organization that holds no academic weight in the outside world at all.

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My Bethel Experience part 4

by new boy in

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black thursday september 1972. knorr gathered all the bethel "heavies" and gb to the kh in the 119 building.

the three freds (circuit overseers).............and about 50 brothers.....thats right only 50. the other guys chickened out, they knew it was going to be a blood bath.

i was there with 7 others from the launrdy............... it started out with dan smoally (not even 30 years old and partaking) telling about what max larson (head of the whole factory) told him "there was no way he was one of the anointed!

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Hey New Boy, when you mentioned Fred Franz's comments, it made me wonder, did you see Raymond Franz at Bethel at all? If you did, did you know him or ever speak to him? Just out of curiousity, what did you think when he published Crisis of Conscience?

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My Bethel experience part II

by new boy in

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back to the food..........the saying was "its the best food in the world before they cook it" the coffee was the really bad.

they would take a 55 lb.

bag of good coffee beans and boil the shit out of it.the joke was if anyone could find the guy that made the coffee, and kill him, our production nwould go up and armageddon could finally come.

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Wow, New Boy, I feel sick after reading this. How can anyone in their right minds think this is God's house? I would rather hang myself than go within 10 feet of that horrible place. I have old ladies in my church that are in their 90's and they're the sweetest people in the world.

I feel sorry for the old guy who didn't get married. What shocked me the most is that he sounded like he knew this organization was all horseshit, and was saying it out loud like it was an accepted fact! Yet he stayed and lived a miserable life until the bitter end. It's so hard to believe for an outsider like me that places like this exist. And to think my mom thinks this place is the most sacred, heavenly place in the world.

By the way, Blondie, were you once a Bethelite too?

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My Bethel experience

by new boy in

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because of the length of this, it will be done in two parts.

part 1. i when to bethel march 21,1970. at the time you had to be a pioneer for two years to apply, by the time i left in 1974 they were calling people in who had never pioneered..........average stay was 5 months ( they had signed up for 4 years)..........the reason they left was......well, it was hell.. one of the reasons was, knorr hated bethelites, but he loved the gilead students and why?

because when they screwed up they were thousands of miles away!........just before i got there, they had kicked out over 60!

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Hi NewBoy. Your story is incredible, and you tell it well. I could talk for hours about the hypocritical Jehovah Witnesses and the closeted gay people at Bethel. I've said to my mom many times that for someone who hates gay people, she sure keeps some strange company.

Instead, I will comment about how you said the food was at Bethel. Forgive my candor, but right now I am laughing my ass off. As a sophmore in college, with several years of grad school ahead of me, I can say that I get the best food in the world. It's basically anything I want, anytime I want. True, I pay for it eventually through my student loans, but I have never been healthier in my life. To all the JW lurkers out there, I advise you to go to college, get the hell away from Bethel, and everything else to do with the Watchtower. The food is great, the people are fun, non-judgemental (not to mention alert and awake), and you don't have to feel like you're a prisoner at Auschwitz. Oh, and there's the added bonus of getting a degree and a decent job.

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Why Can You See Through the Watchtower While Others Cannot?

by The wanderer in

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why can you see through the watchtower while others cannot?

compared with the six million jehovahs witnesses worldwide the .

so-called apostates are comparatively much smaller.

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Paisley: Yes, exactly! My mom truly believes that disfellowshipping and shunning is a loving practice. I've been trying to say it for years. She loves to have every thought and word of her's monitered. My dad did it to her while they were married, and now they're divorced and she converted to the borg and she simply replaced one tyrant with another. Very sad, but true.

By the way, I wish you a very big welcome to the board.

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