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  DANIEL 8v14

  by badboy in

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  december 1?

  1971 wt said that the 2,300 prophetic days mentioned in verse above was connected with voting amendment in 1944 whereby 500 were selected by corpation board(source c of c).. what strange nonsense the wt seem to b able to come up with!

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  Defender

  Check out this article by Farkel

  http://www.freeminds.org/history/danielfarkel.htm
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  A Saudi Arabian studying with JW

  by Defender in

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  11 of the 19 hijackers that attacked the united states on sept 11 were from saudi arabia.

  they were no doubt motivated by severe religious islamic extremism.

  however, there are other expressions of religious motivations that had driven one saudi arabian man to another fate, or should i say faith.. a dark tanned middle eastern man is attending the same kingdom hall that i used to attend.

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  Defender

  11 of the 19 hijackers that attacked the United States on Sept 11 were from Saudi Arabia. They were no doubt motivated by severe religious Islamic extremism. However, there are other expressions of religious motivations that had driven one Saudi Arabian man to another fate, or should I say faith.

  A dark tanned Middle Eastern man is attending the same Kingdom Hall that I used to attend. He has apparently applied for refugee status in Canada in order to run away from religious persecution in his home land of Saudi Arabia. This man was a Moslem. For some reason, he has put faith in Jehovah’s Witnesses and wishes to study the Bible. In doing so, and according to Moslem religion, he has become an apostate and deserves the penalty of death.

  This man comes from a very wealthy family in Saudi Arabia and it seems that his own father, a person with tremendous influence in the Kingdom, is the one behind his son’s persecution and imprisonment. According to Moslems, apostasy from Islam is worse than having your daughter raped. (Case in point was Salman Rushdie’s plight with the Iranian fatwa, if one cares to remember). A sentence of death by hanging was issued against this Saudi Arabian man and it was only a matter of time before it would have been carried. Some of his friends managed to let him escape in the nick of time.

  What is amazing is that this man has abandoned a rich lifestyle in his home, incurred the wrath of his family and religion, slipped away from a certain noose, in order to pursue his newly found faith. From experience, it is very hard to convert a Moslem into a Christian and even harder into a JW. I know that it would have been more favorable if he had chosen to study Christianity with a different group, but I would not loose hope.

  Few years ago, I had studied with a Moslem man from Egypt and he progressed all the way into baptism. He too, had to abandon Egypt, his family, his wife and children because of persecution. One day, I was out in service with this newly baptized Egyptian brother and we happened to knock on an Egyptian Christian home. When the householder found out that we were JWs, he said that he is already a Christian and there was no need for me to preach to him. He went on to say that I would better spend my time preaching to the Moslems. He then challenged me if I have preached and converted one Moslem man, knowing that it is a difficult proposition. I pointed to my partner and allowed him to answer.

  After I had found out the truth about “The Truth”, I kept information to myself but continued to check on this Egyptian brother without divulging anything to him. One day, he surprised me with information he had found on the internet relating to flawed JW teachings and how he totally agreed with it. He had been quietly progressing all along out of JWs doctrines and into following Christ. Needless to say, I was overjoyed.

  I can only hope and pray that this Saudi Arabian man progresses into Christian maturity the same way that the Egyptian brother did.

  Jesus Christ’s words are so very true. “No one can come to the Father except through me” and “No can come to me unless the Father draws him”
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  Help Needed in Calgary re Blood Issue

  by Defender in

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  just read this from another forum.

  http://www.channelc.org/cgi-bin/eboard30/index2.cgi?frames=yes&board=main&mode=current&message=1647

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  Defender

  Just read this from another forum

  http://www.channelc.org/cgi-bin/eboard30/index2.cgi?frames=yes&board=Main&mode=Current&message=1647
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  Whats with the UADNA thing?

  by Defender in

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  a lot of posters are signing their posts with this:.

  unseen apostate directorate of north america - state.

  can anyone enlighten us "the seen ones" as to what is this all about?.

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  Defender

  A lot of posters are signing their posts with this:
  UNSEEN APOSTATE DIRECTORATE of NORTH AMERICA - State

  Can anyone enlighten us "the SEEN ones" as to what is this all about?

  For starters, I think that IADNA as for "Invisible Apostate Directorate of North America" might be more appropriate.

  Or how about

  Apostate Directorate of North America - lodge 1874
  Apostate Directorate of North America - lodge 1914 and so on.

  or

  AAU
  Apostates Are Us - Thief River Falls, Minnesota Branch

  or

  UWEA
  Union of Worldwide Evil Apostates - Buffalo Narrows, Saskatchewan Division

  or

  JCAHI
  Joint Conglomerate of Apostates & Hell's Angels International - Neuva Rosita, Coahuila, Mexico Pit Stop.
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  2 Examples of Apostolic Preaching vs JWs

  by Defender in

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  what is the good news that the apostles preached and how does it compare to the one that jws preach;.

  here are two examples from the bible.

  the first example is preaching to someone who already has faith in god, and the other example is preaching to those who do not have faith in god.. the first example is taken from acts 10:34-44 (rsv edition).

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  Defender

  FredHall

  Do you have faith in the Lord Jesus Christ?
  Do you call on his name? (Saying "in Jesus name" at the end of your prayers is not calling on his name)
  Do you acknowledge Jesus as your guide and way to the Father?
  Do you ask Jesus for guidance and help in showing you the way to the Father?
  Do you thank Jesus frequently for his sacrificce and love for you?
  Do you want to be with Jesus when he comes?
  Do you preach Jesus as the apostles did?

  The apostle Peter said: "And he commanded us to preach to the people, and to testify that he is the one ordained by God to be judge of the living and the dead."

  When Jesus comes for Judgment, will he recognize you as one who called on his name and had developed a relationship with. For He is your head.?

  If you cannot answer the above questions in the affirmative, then this is the opportunity for you now to start your journey on knowing and calling on the name of the Lord of Jesus. For this is exactly what the apostles did and preached.
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  2 Examples of Apostolic Preaching vs JWs

  by Defender in

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  what is the good news that the apostles preached and how does it compare to the one that jws preach;.

  here are two examples from the bible.

  the first example is preaching to someone who already has faith in god, and the other example is preaching to those who do not have faith in god.. the first example is taken from acts 10:34-44 (rsv edition).

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  Defender

  What is the Good News that the apostles preached and how does it compare to the one that JWs preach;

  Here are two examples from the Bible. The first example is preaching to someone who already has faith in God, and the other example is preaching to those who do not have faith in God.

  The first example is taken from Acts 10:34-44 (RSV edition)

  34 And Peter opened his mouth and said: "Truly I perceive that God shows no partiality,
  35 but in every nation any one who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him.
  36 You know the word which he sent to Israel, preaching good news of peace by Jesus Christ (he is Lord of all),
  37 the word which was proclaimed throughout all Judea, beginning from Galilee after the baptism which John preached:
  38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power; how he went about doing good and healing all that were oppressed by the devil, for God was with him.
  39 And we are witnesses to all that he did both in the country of the Jews and in Jerusalem. They put him to death by hanging him on a tree;
  40 but God raised him on the third day and made him manifest;
  41 not to all the people but to us who were chosen by God as witnesses, who ate and drank with him after he rose from the dead.
  42 And he commanded us to preach to the people, and to testify that he is the one ordained by God to be judge of the living and the dead.
  43 To him all the prophets bear witness that every one who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name."
  44 While Peter was still saying this, the Holy Spirit fell on all who heard the word.

  Here Peter preached to someone who has strong faith in God and the message was simple and Peter summarized it in Acts:10:42 "And he commanded us to preach to the people, and to testify that he is the one ordained by God to be judge of the living and the dead. 43 To him all the prophets bear witness that every one who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.

  What is interesting to note is what Peter DID NOT mention.

  1- Name of Jehovah
  2- Terrible world conditions and the means of salvation from these conditions
  3- Life on paradise Earth.
  4- Two classes of Christians
  5- Faithful & Discreet Slave
  6- Organization
  7- End real soon

  Though Peter never mentioned the above, yet we read that the Holy Spirit descended upon those listening to him in show of God's approval.

  The other example is again taken from Acts 17:23-31 (RSV edition)

  23 For as I passed along, and observed the objects of your worship, I found also an altar with this inscription, 'To an unknown god.' What therefore you worship as unknown, this I proclaim to you.
  24 The God who made the world and everything in it, being Lord of heaven and earth, does not live in shrines made by man,
  25 nor is he served by human hands, as though he needed anything, since he himself gives to all men life and breath and everything.
  26 And he made from one every nation of men to live on all the face of the earth, having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their habitation,
  27 that they should seek God, in the hope that they might feel after him and find him. Yet he is not far from each one of us,
  28 for 'In him we live and move and have our being'; as even some of your poets have said, 'For we are indeed his offspring.'
  29 Being then God's offspring, we ought not to think that the Deity is like gold, or silver, or stone, a representation by the art and imagination of man.
  30 The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now he commands all men everywhere to repent,
  31 because he has fixed a day on which he will judge the world in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed, and of this he has given assurance to all men by raising him from the dead."

  What is noteworthy of Paul's message is what he DID NOT mention.

  1- Name of Jehovah (although this would have been a wonderful opportunity to do so, as Paul started to talk about the "Unknown God"
  2- Terrible world conditions and the means of salvation from these conditions
  3- Life on paradise Earth.
  4- Two classes of Christians
  5- Faithful & Discreet Slave
  6- Organization
  7- End real soon
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  WTS "New Light" on Great Crowd

  by Amazing in

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  2. beliefs

  i posted this 28 minutes after someone beat me to it.

  i missed stevie1's post because when i looked it was in the "belief's and doctrine" section.

  sorry for the goof.

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  Defender

  This is an interesting article. It is about time, the Society comes clean on distinguishing the difference between (Gr. naos) and (Gr. heiron). Although, they have still not gone far enough. In order to maintain the two class Christians teaching, they continue to twist scriptures out of context.

  the Greek word (naos') translated "temple" in John's vision of the great crowd is more specific. In the context of the Jerusalem temple, it usually refers to the Holy of Holies, the temple building, or the temple precincts.

  Yes, the word naos is more specific and according to NWT translations refers to the sanctuary or the Holy of Holies, where only priests could enter and serve.

  Members of the great crowd exercise faith in Jesus' ransom sacrifice. They are spiritually clean, having "washed their robe and made them white in the blood of the Lamb." Hence, they are declared righteous with a view to becoming friends of God and of surviving the great tribulation.

  Note the Society's use of the term "with a view to becoming friends of God" So, although they have supposedly put faith in Jesus Christ and washed their robes with the blood of Christ, they are NOT considered Sons of God, not even friends to God, yet. They are in a position of "in view of becoming friends of God".

  I am unable to reconcile this teaching with what Paul said in Galatians 3:26 "You are ALL, in fact, sons of God through your faith in Christ Jesus."

  In many ways, they are like proselytes in Israel who submitted to the Law covenant and worshipped along with the Israelites.

  The great crowd are not said to be worshipping in the "naos", no, they are mentioned as rendering SACRED SERVICE in the "naos". There is a difference and the Society is playing with words to obscure the facts.

  Of course, these proselytes did not serve in the inner courtyard, where the priests performed their duties. And members of the great crowd are not in the inner courtyard of Jehovah's great spiritual temple, which courtyard represents the condition of perfect, righteous human sonship of the members of Jehovah's "holy priesthood" while they are on earth.

  Yes, proselytes did not serve in the inner courtyard, nor did they serve in the outer couryard for that matter, but the great crowd is rendering sacred service in the "naos" which the article itself describes as referring to the Holy of Holies. Who can serve in the Holy of Holies?

  Again the Society tries to equate the condition of the great crowd with that of the early proselytes, as if Christ never came. It is turning the clock backward.

  The great crowd mentioned in Revelations are said to be standing before the throne of God, rendering sacred service in his temple sanctuary or Holy of Holies because of their faith in Jesus Christ. Certainly, the condition of these members of the great crowd no where resembles that of the early proselytes of Israel.
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  1998-1999 World Religions Stats

  by Defender in

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  interesting info.

  christianity makes up 32.8% of world population: almost exactly one third.. http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/a0001484.html.

  and here is the breakdown in the us.

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  Defender

  Interesting info. Christianity makes up 32.8% of world population: almost exactly one third.

  http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0001484.html

  and here is the breakdown in the US. For some reason, I thought that the Pentecostal Church had much larger membership.

  http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0001481.html
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  Have any given thought to...

  by HenryP in

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  romans 8:18-25?

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  HenryP

  This is a marvelous scripture where the Apostle Paul is explaining the spiritual groaning of those that have been adopted by the spirit. Yes, the spirit which is placed as a token in the fallen flesh of the Holy Ones groans and wants to rejoin the Father of all Spirits in heaven. This is the revelation of the Sons of Gods that all who have faith are awaiting.

  In fact, this is the essence and glorious Good News of Christ, in that ALL that put faith in Jesus will be adopted as Sons of the Most High God.

  When I say put faith in Jesus, it is not by mere words or shear knowledge. For Satan and the demons have that kind of faith in that they know who Jesus is and what is his role and what is he destined to do.

  No, the kind of faith that genuine Christians would have is that Jesus had come in the flesh, died and was raised and is now sitting on the right hand of his Father's throne. Furthermore, Christians put faith in Jesus in that they GRAB HOLD of him, like sheep to a shepherd, in order to lead them to the Father. No one can get to the Father except THROUGH jesus.

  I have been associating with Jehovah's Witnesses for more than 30 years, and I have not been able to grasp this faith until very recently. This is no thanks to the Society, for in fact it obscured Christ for me. The Society acknowledges Jesus, has knowledge of Jesus, but it does not lead its followers to Jesus. On the contrary, it leads them to itself.

  Jesus said that he is knocking on the door and that ANYONE openning the door, he promised to come in and have a meal with him. Of course, he was speaking symbolically, but this is the crux of the faith of those that call themselves Christians.

  While all prayerful worship is addressed to the Father, however, Jesus is also alive and sitting beside the Father and will come to the help and direction to any that CALL ON HIS NAME.

  So, ALL who want to have faith in Jesus must CALL ON THE NAME of Jesus to lead them and direct them to the Father, leads them to everlasting life and the glorious freedom promised to all who would be the Sons of God.
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  Enron Call Answer Service

  by Defender in

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  try this site.

  turn your pc sound volume up.. http://207.36.66.38/enron/

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  Defender

  Try this site. turn your pc sound volume up.

  http://207.36.66.38/enron/