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can you people honestly say gods spirit is guiding you?].

i think not!

jw

What is a Christian, please define? I believe the book you call the bible, gives that definition. Well here's one of the first steps to becomming a Christian...

(John 6:52-59) 52

Therefore the Jews began contending with one another, saying: "How can this man give us his flesh to eat?" 53 Accordingly Jesus said to them: "Most truly I say to YOU, Unless YOU eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, YOU have no life in yourselves. 54 He that feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has everlasting life, and I shall resurrect him at the last day; 55 for my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. 56 He that feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood remains in union with me, and I in union with him. 57 Just as the living Father sent me forth and I live because of the Father, he also that feeds on me, even that one will live because of me. 58 This is the bread that came down from heaven. It is not as when YOUR forefathers ate and yet died. He that feeds on this bread will live forever." 59 These things he said as he was teaching in public assembly at Ca·per´na·um. JW, did you notice who Jesus was speaking to, the Jew's? And did you notice, Jesus said " Unless YOU eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, YOU have no life in yourselves. their is no mention of, differant classes of people.

By passing the emblems and not partaking, are we not in fact denigning Christ, and the covenant arrangement, and where does that leave us? Jesus said: "He that feeds on this bread will live forever"... so how are we to "live forever" if we don't do as Jesus commanded, to eat his flesh and drink his blood ??? I believe this scripture shows what we are, when we denign Chist by rejecting those emblems.

(1 John 2:22-23) 22

Jhn 6:22 The day following, when the people which stood on the other side of the sea saw that there was none other boat there, save that one whereinto his disciples were entered, and that Jesus went not with his disciples into the boat, but [that] his disciples were gone away alone;

Jhn 6:23 (Howbeit there came other boats from Tiberias nigh unto the place where they did eat bread, after that the Lord had given thanks:)

Who is the liar if it is not the one that denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one that denies the Father and the Son. 23 Everyone that denies the Son does not have the Father either. . ." What are YOU? Kind Regards Acadian ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

First of all this has nothing to do with the definition of a christian!

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Jhn 6:24	When the people therefore saw that Jesus was not there, neither his disciples, they also took shipping, and came to Capernaum, seeking for Jesus.
	Jhn 6:25	And when they had found him on the other side of the sea, they said unto him, Rabbi, when camest thou hither?
	Jhn 6:26	Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled.
	Jhn 6:27	Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.
	Jhn 6:28	Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
	Jhn 6:29	Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
	Jhn 6:30	They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?
	Jhn 6:31	Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.
	Jhn 6:32	Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
	Jhn 6:33	For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
	Jhn 6:34	Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.
	Jhn 6:35	And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
	Jhn 6:36	But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.
	Jhn 6:37	All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
	Jhn 6:38	For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
	Jhn 6:39	And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
	Jhn 6:40	And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
	Jhn 6:41	The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven.
	Jhn 6:42	And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?
	Jhn 6:43	Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves.
	Jhn 6:44	No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
	Jhn 6:45	It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
	Jhn 6:46	Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.
	Jhn 6:47	Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
	Jhn 6:48	I am that bread of life.
	Jhn 6:49	Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
	Jhn 6:50	This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
	Jhn 6:51	I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
	Jhn 6:52	The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us [his] flesh to eat?
	Jhn 6:53	Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
	Jhn 6:54	Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
	Jhn 6:55	For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
	Jhn 6:56	He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
	Jhn 6:57	As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
	Jhn 6:58	This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.
	Jhn 6:59	These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.

The bread and drink that is being referred to is representing biblical knowledge that one must seek!

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can you people honestly say gods spirit is guiding you?].

i think not!

jw

As a 30-year seasoned and war-torn veteran of the WTS, my intentions are primarily NOW, to open the blind eyes of any JW that crosses my path (here on JWD or on other forums). If there is ONE point that can make them think about who and what they have devoted and dedicated their lives to....it's a seed well planted.

Finally an intelligent response!

With the JWs like this---spreading hate, arrogance, condemnation of ALL "other religions", as well as always feeling smugly superior to EVERYONE ELSE on the earth (other than any fellow JW---right OR wrong).....I think that realistically---your "question" should be better directed at YOU....

Why , What do I have to do with this site?

***You are kind of hypocritical to start a negative thread topic to rail against our negativity, I think. You have also made it more likely that the threads you aspire to start will be met by people whose attitudes toward you are heavily influenced by your asinine remarks on this thread. In other words, you set yourself up to be convinced of the prejudice you started with.

Actually it just further confirms that some of the people here are just up to no good.

If a JW can't engage someone in a reasonable conversation or good debate, they shoot for the arrogant WTS-taught attititude right off the bat. They LOOK for the zingers to toss out while exhibiting their superior attitude to all those who are not JWs. We ALL recognize this and we all see it for just what it is. It's a JW thang.

Bull Crap, no one here wants to debate the real issues in an intelligent way.

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can you people honestly say gods spirit is guiding you?].

i think not!

jw

jw,

Everytime you make a post a ip address comes attached to your post. You can be located by this ip address and it's not very hard to do. Would you like someone to find out who you are and then contact your elders and report your coming here ?

Go for it!

If your answer in no then I strongly suggest that you make a serious attitude adjustment and start acting like a real human being, imperfect like all of us in the world.

Take your own advice and advice all the voices you hear too.

Your post seem to me as if your someone who is without error. Can you walk on water ? I hardly doubt it.

Actually Ya can walk on water these days with Hovercraft shoes!

My bible say's not to judge anyone for anything because if you do you also will be judged in that same judgement. You are not only breaking the laws of scripture but your also breaking laws of your society. I have found that the JW's go against every grain of law in scripture but yet you act as if your some kind of supreme being, someone better than everyone else.

Lets see I am now judgeing people when I notice wrong doings, Not very logical now is that.

You need a grip on reality man very badly. And hey if you want to leavce so damn bad just GO, run fast and as others said don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.

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Why can't i ask questions?

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in the first chapter of the book " what does the bible really teach " students are encouraged to be humble and ask questions until they find satisfying answers.

why then, did no one reveal to me the history of the wtbts before i became a baptized publisher?

why do we encourage those of other faiths to look into their religion objectivley and yet we are not allowed to do the same of ours?

jw

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can you people honestly say gods spirit is guiding you?].

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jw

I'm beginning to think maybe you are sitting in the basement of bethel on monitoring duty.

I like that thought.

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For jw .... if you don't mind my asking, how long have you been a jw?

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how long did you study before you got baptized?.

were there any long standing habits you had to get rid of before you got baptized?.

do you bring your children to the meetings?.

jw

Unfortunately for them, jw's are surprisingly easy to despise. (the "I have the truth and you don't attitude" is just always obnoxious no matter how you package it!!!)
As a result, most here will feel more inclined to give them a good theocratic slapping around.
The problem is that only reinforces their worldview of apostates/df/da - types being bad people.
You want to mess with jw? Mess with his world view. Kill him with kindness, reasoned discussion, fair questions, logical debate, and even sympathy.
The longer jw stays here, the shorter his/her stay in spiritual bondage.

This is sooooo true!

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Why can't i ask questions?

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in the first chapter of the book " what does the bible really teach " students are encouraged to be humble and ask questions until they find satisfying answers.

why then, did no one reveal to me the history of the wtbts before i became a baptized publisher?

why do we encourage those of other faiths to look into their religion objectivley and yet we are not allowed to do the same of ours?

jw

In the first chapter of the book " What does the bible really teach " students are encouraged to be humble and ask questions until they find satisfying answers. Why then, did no one reveal to me the history of the WTBTS before i became a baptized publisher? WHY?! Why do we encourage those of other faiths to look into their religion objectivley and yet we are not allowed to do the same of ours? Why does the WTBTS nearly always tear down and hardly every build up those of other beliefs?
You must remember all Jw's and leaders are human just like you and they may not know the answer and are to embarrassed to admit it.
Why is name calling used to catergorize any who turn away from the JW faith as people of bad character, when this is not always so? Human error.
Why are not the Governing Body as candid about their errors and the past errors of the WTBTS as the bible writers were? They are candid about their errors , try reading the reasoning from scriptures book.
Why does the year text " We must obey God as ruler rather than men " seem so ironic when hanging in a KH? If the congregation does not follow the scripture, " We must obey God as ruler rather than men " , then what will you accomplish by pointing it out to them? Just follow that scripture all the time, for yourself. .
Why was i so blind? ??????????/
Why am i judged and why have i judged a persons spirituality and their worth as christians by the amount of time they spend in the field service? That can be made right at any point and time you choose to do that.

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John Chapter 1

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i am wondering how those who believe jesus is the almighty lord god reconcile the following passages in chapter 1.

john 1:1 - ..."the word was god.

john 1:14 - "and the word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the father,) full of grace and truth.

jw

First of all, the scriptures are not a literal translation

John Chapter 1

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I am wondering how those who believe Jesus is the Almighty Lord God reconcile the following passages in Chapter 1.
John 1:1 - ..."the Word was God."
John 1:14 - "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. "
John 1:18 - "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."
If one believes that the Word, or Jesus, was God, then how can the apparent conflict found in verses 14 and 18 be resolved? If the Word became flesh and dwelt among us then he certainly was seen by many people on the Earth. However, verse 18 states that no one has seen God.

Read the correct scriptures below! Greek/English Interlinear (tr) NT) John 1:14 kai <2532> {AND} o <3588> {THE} logoV <3056> {WORD} sarx <4561> {FLESH} egeneto <1096> (5633) {BECAME,} kai <2532> {AND} eskhnwsen <4637> (5656) {TABERNACLED} en <1722> {AMONG} hmin <2254> {US,} kai <2532> {(AND} eqeasameqa <2300> (5662) thn <3588> {WE DISCERNED} doxan <1391> autou <846> {HIS GLORY,} doxan <1391> {A GLORY} wV <5613> {AS} monogenouV <3439> {OF AN ONLY BEGOTTEN} para <3844> {WITH} patroV <3962> {A FATHER,} plhrhV <4134> {FULL} caritoV <5485> {OF GRACE} kai <2532> {AND} alhqeiaV <225> {TRUTH.} ----------------------------------------- Greek/English Interlinear (tr) NT) John 1:1 | en <1722> {IN [THE]} arch <746> {BEGINNING} hn <2258> (5713) {WAS} o <3588> {THE} logoV <3056> {WORD,} kai <2532> {AND} o <3588> {THE} logoV <3056> {WORD} hn <2258> (5713) {WAS} proV <4314> ton <3588> {WITH} qeon <2316> {GOD,} kai <2532> {AND} qeoV <2316> {GOD} hn <2258> (5713) {WAS} o <3588> {THE} logoV <3056> {WORD.} --------------------------------------------------------- Greek/English Interlinear (tr) NT) John 1:18 qeon <2316> {GOD} oudeiV <3762> {NO ONE} ewraken <3708> (5758) {HAS SEEN} pwpote <4455> {AT ANY TIME;} o <3588> {THE} monogenhV <3439> {ONLY BEGOTTEN} uioV <5207> {SON,} o <3588> {WHO} wn <5607> (5752) {IS} eiV <1519> {IN} ton <3588> {THE} kolpon <2859> {BOSOM} tou <3588> {OF THE} patroV <3962> {FATHER,} ekeinoV <1565> {HE} exhghsato <1834> (5662) {DECLARED [HIM].}

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jw

jw - I really believe you could enjoy this place, and there are many Christains here to prove it, if you just develop a sense of humour.

Honestly, I do not have a sense of humor.

But I do appreciate your comment.

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When you were a witness, did you ever wonder where the GOOD witnesses were?

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i grew up in the borg and can remember feeling a disconnect with the portrayal of witness behavior in the literature and what i actually experienced.

the stories from the yearbook about people wanting to study with witnesses "thirsty for knowledge of the truth" were so different from the responses i got in the fs, where people just seemed annoyed.

the pictures of happy folk and families of all colors looking toward some ray of light, united in the love for jehoober and each other, did not square with what was going on in my congo.

jw

well i do sometimes look at the pictures of the family studies where they're sitting there all smiley and playing kingdom songs on the flute, and think, thank god no-one really does that.

Wow , do you really believe no one really sits around plays musical instruments and /or have family or church sing alongs?

My family does that all the time, almost every evening.

	Jhn 6:22	The day following, when the people which stood on the other side of the sea saw that there was none other boat there, save that one whereinto his disciples were entered, and that Jesus went not with his disciples into the boat, but [that] his disciples were gone away alone;
	Jhn 6:23	(Howbeit there came other boats from Tiberias nigh unto the place where they did eat bread, after that the Lord had given thanks:)