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ok all time to get real.
child abuse is not limited to jw's.. if you truly want to stop child abuse first start with the family , and be honest we all have a relative that is a pedophile.. then protect your family from stranger danger.. don't just isolate to jw's.. expand and truly stop the child abuse world wide.
Interesting SF, how after you pointed out the different IP, JW disappeared and no more postings. Wow I can disappear! Cool
Hellrider - I WONDERED THE SAME THING, what do the Menedez bros have to do with anything. I choose not to repond at times. Especially when I am being insulted, ridiculed, etc... And for what purpose. Everyone hear seems to have a one tract mind , closed.
i rented a house in the late !970's and the contents in the home were given to me.. it happened to be books: ( making my life happy, revelation, children bible stories, listening to the great teacher ) i was enjoying the reading.. -----------------------------------.
a few years later began to notice awake magazines in doctor offices, and other public places and read them and enjoyed them.. ------------------------------------.
late 1980's my 7th son was 2 yrs.
I rented a house in the late !970's and the contents in the home were given to me.
It happened to be books: ( Making my life Happy, Revelation, Children Bible Stories, Listening to the Great Teacher ) I was enjoying the reading.
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A few years later began to notice awake magazines in doctor offices, and other public places and read them and enjoyed them.
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Late 1980's My 7th son was 2 yrs. old and was just learning to talk. He was developmentally delayed in speech. He said he was hearing a man tell him to go with him. That scared my whole family. We did not know what to think of that. We all agreed to really monitor him more closely than we normally already did. All appeared well.
A few months later around 2 am in the morning my son woke me up to tell me the man came to get him but he did not want to go. Of course we were taking what he said seriously but in honesty we had our doubts. My husband and I got up and began to look around our house for a man, at first just to rest my sons fears. We we frighted , at what we saw next. Our door was wide opened.
We always lock our doors and make sure all the family our in bed for the night. So this really worried us.
We had many family discussions on how to deal with this issue. We had our son sleep with us after that. But then it came to mind something I read in one of the books. That if dealing with a spirit or satan just tell them to go away in the name of Jehovah. I fiqured what do I have to lose, except my son. So I began to instruct my 2 yr. old that when he hears the man or see the man or anyone else to say those words. And He did just that.
We never heard about that man again and we check with my son on a routine basis and still kept up our security measure. And no other incident was ever reported by my son since .
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Years later we got a knock on our door and a female and male were reading to me something from a black book. Then I noticed A revelation book. And ask where they got that book. And ask if I could have that black book at first they refused then decided they could replace the black book and let me have it.
And made appointment to return and I accepted eagarly.
And Have not ever had regrets.
P.s. that was my very first time of learning of this bible book exisitence.
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ok all time to get real.
child abuse is not limited to jw's.. if you truly want to stop child abuse first start with the family , and be honest we all have a relative that is a pedophile.. then protect your family from stranger danger.. don't just isolate to jw's.. expand and truly stop the child abuse world wide.
jw,
How is it that you have at least SEVEN different IP numbers?
Interesting.
sKally
What do you mean? What an ip?
how many jws did you convert to being ex jws or interested persons to being uninterested in the wts?
How many JWs did you convert to being ex JWs or interested persons to being uninterested in the WTS? try me i.m game!
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ok all time to get real.
child abuse is not limited to jw's.. if you truly want to stop child abuse first start with the family , and be honest we all have a relative that is a pedophile.. then protect your family from stranger danger.. don't just isolate to jw's.. expand and truly stop the child abuse world wide.
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And lets not forget jeffry dahmer.
I can name plenty more but why bother , seems no one thinks I speak the truth.
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ok all time to get real.
child abuse is not limited to jw's.. if you truly want to stop child abuse first start with the family , and be honest we all have a relative that is a pedophile.. then protect your family from stranger danger.. don't just isolate to jw's.. expand and truly stop the child abuse world wide.
I never said not to take legal action when necessary against the organization.
Would you personally do this? If a member of your congregation came to you and told you “mommy, brother so&so gave me a big hug. He hugs me a lot and really tight, and breathes on my hair funny, but mommy this time he also put his hand up the back of my shirt onto my bare back and was rubbing it. It made me feel funny. I told him so, and he said not to say anything to anyone about it.” What would you do, jw, what would you DO??
YEP, Without hesitation.
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ok all time to get real.
child abuse is not limited to jw's.. if you truly want to stop child abuse first start with the family , and be honest we all have a relative that is a pedophile.. then protect your family from stranger danger.. don't just isolate to jw's.. expand and truly stop the child abuse world wide.
If they have evidence to support the allegations of child abuse, such as dna, sperm, etc..., then I might be willing to jump on their bandwagon.I know I have been pretty invisible on this thread and perhaps you just missed my earlier response to you but this comment above shows how little understanding you have regarding the issue when it comes to JWs.
When a parent or the victim goes to the elders to help them deal with a person who has abused the child, the elders will not immediate tell them to report it to the police. The child will not be taken to the doctor to get the evidence "such as dna, sperm, etc..."
The elders have their own little investigation which entails asking the accused if he did it and if he says no the elders will shrug their shoulders and say there is nothing they can do because it is one man (or woman) against the word of a child. And since there aren't two witnesses to the abuse the eldersjust tell the child and family they can do nothing but do not speak of this to others in the cong or they will be accused of gossiping and could be reproved for causing dissention within the cong.
So here is this poor child who has been abused and has had to tell her story to window washers and button salesmen. Scripture that JWs should not go outside the cong with issues regarding "brothers" will be read. She/he or the family is reminded that one should not take their "brother" to court and now she is told she can't tell anyone. Pity the poor child whose abuser is a parent. They have to go home with them knowing the abuse won't stop.
And after all this whatever evidence is washed away and the actual events have been contaminated by the elders clumsy investigation.
Another suggestion: spousal abuse laws : Read up on them where you reside. Seems you can be arrested on the spot no matter what! We can get a similar child abuse law passed . And thus no one even has a necessity to go to an Elder or Jw congregation to report it.
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ok all time to get real.
child abuse is not limited to jw's.. if you truly want to stop child abuse first start with the family , and be honest we all have a relative that is a pedophile.. then protect your family from stranger danger.. don't just isolate to jw's.. expand and truly stop the child abuse world wide.
However, "JW" provides a first hand example how people who profess to be so righteous will go to any lengths to protect an organization, even if victims have to suffer.
I never said not to take legal action when necessary against the organization.
I just don't think you all resorting to bashing the organization is the proper way .
You can criticise the Jw organization till you are blue in the face.
If child abuse is so active in the organization your efforts would serve a better purpose by catching the crimminals in the act.
Keep your enemies close.
A video or pics are worth more than mere words.
Witnesses a must.
Channel your energy more wisely.
To those who would ever consider joining this cult..........."JW" provides an excellent witness.
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ok all time to get real.
child abuse is not limited to jw's.. if you truly want to stop child abuse first start with the family , and be honest we all have a relative that is a pedophile.. then protect your family from stranger danger.. don't just isolate to jw's.. expand and truly stop the child abuse world wide.
JW:
The problem is that Because the Organization knowingly harbored Pedophiles, there are currently Pedophiles that are available to Hurt more children, both in the kingdom halls and in the home.
When a JW goes to the door do you think that the Householder is going to be told that the person standing at his door is a possible pedophile?
I think you are right that we in general need to be very wary of who we trust our children with. But in many situations, mothers and fathers Cannot be with their kids 24/7. Many parents have to have both adults working just to make ends meet. Mothers who bring their children to the hall end up having to depend on other adults in the congregation to help them.
If the average person does Not know about the child abuse within the congregation they might potentially attend, or are told that such allegations are False and for Whatever reason they completely believe these people don't you think they deserve to be completely aware of the facts before going?
Do you know if a child molestor is lurking in the store waiting for your child to be apart from you?
Is walmart responsible to inform you if they hire a pedophile?
Do you know if your childs teacher is gay or lesbian waiting for a chance to sexually assault your child?
Is it the schools responsibility to inform you of all the gay and lesbians they hire?
Do you know if your next door neighbor whom you have known 30 + yrs. is waiting for the opportunity to molest and kill your child?
Is it the neighbors responsibility to inform you of pedophiles in your neighborhood?
I am not trying to be insensitive just realistic.
It is the parents primary duty to protect their children!
Doesn't mean they don't have to believe the teachings, it just means that they deserve a fair warning, like everyone else.
Further ....
As a RAPE victim, I can tell you right now, that your demeanor with people who have been victimized does not tell me that you are experienced working with rape victims. Sorry, but while I can see your point in your original questions, the reasoning you are using with people is bothersome because by telling people that You used the 24/7 rule, it demeans parents who are unable and not so lucky to be with their kids 24/7.
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ok all time to get real.
child abuse is not limited to jw's.. if you truly want to stop child abuse first start with the family , and be honest we all have a relative that is a pedophile.. then protect your family from stranger danger.. don't just isolate to jw's.. expand and truly stop the child abuse world wide.
If you truly want to stop child abuse first start with the family , and be honest we all have a relative that is a pedophile.
I have spent the last 21 years helping adult survivors of sexual abuse. I have both personal and professional experience in this field. I really do know many families where they do not have a pedophile in the family. I certainly have enough pedophiles in my own family but families like mine are the exception, not the rule. Well I know of families in Colorado, Florida, Michigan, Mississippi, Okc, Ok., as a fact.
