Posts by rathfear

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Would you rather be Respected, Feared, Desired, or Listened To?

by The Berean in

jw
friends

i choose fear as my defense.. what say you?.

rathfear

Listened to

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6/15 WT- GB More Powerful than Worldwide Anointed- Don't Judge Partaking

by flipper in

jw
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more of the latest from the june 15th " witness only " watchtower.

under the article " the faithful steward and it's governing body " there were some very telling quotes which could indicate how the wt society is tightening the control of it's members - and trying to justify more partaking of the emblems at the memorial since the numbers partaking have gone up from about 8,000 to 10,000 since they no longer feel that the sealing of the anointed ended in 1935.. so first off, notice this quote indicating the importance of elevating the governing body over the rest of the anointed around the earth.

paragraph 16 it states , " are all these anointed ones throughout the earth part of a global network that is somehow involved in revealing new spiritual truths ?

rathfear

Well what happens if it keeps increasing, when will it reach 145,000? Then they'll say what they always say, some are partaking by mistake...

As for the governing body, sounds like a mysoginistic bunch of old farts who twist scripture to their own ideals. Having spoken to some witlesses lately, I've noticed a few strong themes which hold all the BS together, armageddons coming(when hell freezes over), we'll all be perfect in the paradise, meetings..meetings.... Without the continuous mind numbing and carrots on sticks, the rest of the cards would come crashing down. Wy can't there be another governing body in another country, why is itdown the road from the UN security council, its hard for jehoover to waster them and miss the governing body, they should move further away.

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Kingdom Melodies

by GromitSK in

does anyone else hate them as much as i do?

they were so embarrassing i had to have my buttocks surgically unclenched after i got kicked out..

rathfear

Wow Tired of the Hypocrisy, thats song 113 - "We are Jehovah's Witnesses"

Having not been at a meeting in years, knowing that is kinda weird. I was the "sound brother" for years so that doesn't suprise me though.

So its a commie soundtrack of the soviet union, oh the irony!

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Going Back

by rathfear in

this is going to sound somewhat crazy.

having faded completely around two years ago i found myself with new found freedom and if was fun.

i developed new friendships and hobbies and did some stuff that was frowned upon by those in the truth.

rathfear

Right, I ain't going back, but I still feel that I need to "save" my little brothers from the "truth". They're between 9 and 14 and I don't want them to end up in the mire. I feel the key to my family's involvement in the truth is my mother, she's holding all the aces. I'm not sure the best way to go about that. I have mentioned some of my reservations to her, shes not going to go running to the elders anyway. Its the hope of the paradise and such that is what is keeping her there from what I can gather.

Thanks for all the advice, I just needed to hear some things to think about. The religion is bunk and is a destructive cult, now I've decided I have to get my family out of it. The problem is that will create a vacuum and what do I fill it with, wanted to do it years ago but didn't have the strength to try; now I feel that I can, I'm just unsure how to go about it.

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What was your first vehicle?

by Blithe Freshman in

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i saw my first while out on errands today!.

bought a 68 camaro in 1977. paid 700$ taxes, title, registration, inspection & new tires!.

i wish i still had mine.

rathfear

My first road legal contraption, the actual one doesn't look this good anymore

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Going Back

by rathfear in

this is going to sound somewhat crazy.

having faded completely around two years ago i found myself with new found freedom and if was fun.

i developed new friendships and hobbies and did some stuff that was frowned upon by those in the truth.

rathfear

Well I had a nervous breakdown a few months ago and said and did some stuff that caused some of my friends to turn on me, leaving me in a very empty lonely spot. In truth I'm not in the best condition to deal with this at the moment. I read crisis of conscience amongst other books years ago and even after that kept pioneering thinking that I could deal with the internal differences I felt. It got to the point where I felt sick during meetings, but I still wanted to belong as outside of the KH I was an outcast thanks mainly to spending my teenage years doing all the theocratic stuff.

Because of some of the stuff that happened recently I have been attending therapy and have alot of issues there as well. In some ways I want to get some of those in, out of the org; wishful thinking I suppose! Couldn't even get my own mother out if I tried, the blinkers that people develop are extremely effective.

I haven't been to any meeting since 18th October 2007, that was a Thursday, I just up and left and that was it. Said nothing to no one, no explanation; so at this point "they" don't really know why I left. After I left I developed somewhat of a social life outside of the org, it has recently been shattered and now I'm left with not much to go on.

On top of that my breakdown was caused by a neurological condition that some people just can't understand. I look "fine" on the outside but inside I'm a mess. I was thinking If I was to go back I would have the same BS to put up with, and in order to be "accepted" I would have to endure an awful lot of nonsense. And because of my current condition which I've been told may never heal I can't handle stress on that level anymore.

As for how much of it I believe, thats an interesting one, I'll go as far to say there might be a god and after that I'm open to anybody proving anything else to me. Stupid mind programming has me kinda messed up in some ways and even the dealing with women is I suppose difficult, that coupled with everything else just makes it all painful.

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Going Back

by rathfear in

this is going to sound somewhat crazy.

having faded completely around two years ago i found myself with new found freedom and if was fun.

i developed new friendships and hobbies and did some stuff that was frowned upon by those in the truth.

rathfear

I guess rebel8 has made some good points, when I was in, i tried to fit in and was not accepted. Sat through meetings and some of the stuff from the platform made me sick. I remeber the exact date I last attended a meeting even years later, but i remember alot of things like that anyway. Do I want to believe in some of the good things like the "new system" and such, yes I do. But I don't really believe this 1914 and the moving goalpost lark.

Some brothers have asked over the past while, when are you coming back whereas others are alot more human acknowledging that I have issues and its not black and white.

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Going Back

by rathfear in

this is going to sound somewhat crazy.

having faded completely around two years ago i found myself with new found freedom and if was fun.

i developed new friendships and hobbies and did some stuff that was frowned upon by those in the truth.

rathfear

This is going to sound somewhat crazy. Having faded completely around two years ago I found myself with new found freedom and if was fun. I developed new friendships and hobbies and did some stuff that was frowned upon by those in the truth™. I look back and feel that even after years some of me can still switch into preaching mode and such like.

Recently I've had some bad experiences with "worldly people" whom I considered my friends, they turned on me when I needed help and this has left me reevaluating life. I met an elder friend of mine from a different congregation today and he said some stuff that was pretty insightful and showed some true understanding. I've been left wondering what do I really belief?

Should I go back on some level or am I naieve in thinking any good can come from it. There are some in the organisation that I do care about and even after years of not being there I still fell comfortable around them. I'm left thinking some of the reasons I left were doctrinal in nature but in some ways I could handle that; it was various elders and others within the congregation that frankly made me feel like an outcast in the congregation in the kingdom hall i was instrumental in constructing.

Is it that I am single and miss certain sisters that I really liked that is in some ways driving me back having being rejected by "worldly girls" on so many levels, I dunno. I really am unsure what to do and any advice on how to evaluate my options would be beneficial.

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Going Back

by rathfear in

this is going to sound somewhat crazy.

having faded completely around two years ago i found myself with new found freedom and if was fun.

i developed new friendships and hobbies and did some stuff that was frowned upon by those in the truth.

rathfear

This is going to sound somewhat crazy. Having faded completely around two years ago I found myself with new found freedom and if was fun. I developed new friendships and hobbies and did some stuff that was frowned upon by those in the truth™. I look back and feel that even after years some of me can still switch into preaching mode and such like. Recently I've had some bad experiences with "worldly people" whom I considered my friends, they turned on me when I needed help and this has left me reevaluating life. I met an elder friend of mine from a different congregation today and he said some stuff that was pretty insightful and showed some true understanding. I've been left wondering what do I really belief? Should I go back on some level or am I naieve in thinking any good can come from it. There are some in the organisation that I do care about and even after years of not being there I still fell comfortable around them. I'm left thinking some of the reasons I left were doctrinal in nature but in some ways I could handle that; it was various elders and others within the congregation that frankly made me feel like an outcast in the congregation in the kingdom hall i was instrumental in constructing. Is it that I am single and miss certain sisters that I really liked that is in some ways driving me back having being rejected by "worldly girls" on so many levels, I dunno. I really am unsure what to do and any advice on how to evaluate my options would be beneficial.

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Dublin, Ireland Hospital Faces 1m Bill Over Transfusion Case

by AndersonsInfo in

ireland .

coombe faces 1m bill over transfusion case.

thursday, 8 may 2008 17:29. the coombe women's hospital is facing a bill of over 1m for costs over its successful high court action in a recent blood transfusion case.. the case centred on whether the hospital was entitled to administer a necessary blood transfusion to a female member of the jehovah's witnesses faith, against her wishes.. in a landmark ruling last month, ms justice mary laffoy ruled the hospital had acted lawfully in getting a court order allowing it give the transfusion to the 24-year-old woman, who may be identified only as ms k.. the court also set out guidelines as to how hospitals, the courts and the state might address similar situations in the future.. the case was before the judge again yesterday to decide issues of the multi-million euro costs of the 37-day hearing.. the judge rejected applications by both the hospital and ms k to have their costs paid by the state.

rathfear

Almost all maternity care is free in Ireland. And "Business" as such is based on Geography, usually the nearest Maternity Unit. As for getting different treatment in a different hospital, its all part of the same bureaucracy you'd either get the same treatment or die, so she could consider herself lucky!