Why would the WTBTS need to join itself with a part of the U.N. just for a ' library card ?' Would it have made better sense to use the New York Public Library or the Library of Congress. I'm sure those two institutions had access to the same information. This whole ordeal really doesn't make sense when the notion of the U.N. was something held in disdain among Jehovah's Witnesses.
But I guess that some people among the Society do not make wise decisions and end up stumbling many. I think it would have been better if an apology was made to the Witnesses in general for the stumbling. I don't recall one ever being made though.
After reading through this thread, it seems that much can be explained away or an attempt made at doing so, however, as it stands, the decision makers at Brooklyn did something they later felt enough regret about as to cancel their membership with the D.P.I. when it was brought out. If the general Witness had no ill feelings toward the U.N., then maybe it would have made no difference or stumbling, but since it had been taught that the U.N. stands in opposition to God's Kingdom, then they are part of the world that we were told to stay away from. And by learning about this union of God's Earthly Organization with an Organization that stands in opposition, many were stumbled and that action will be held accountable by all those who participated, promoted and partook of that act.
Whether or not it now stands as that or just another Human Rights Organziation, it still caused many to stumble, among whom where those who were not weak in faith or weak in their standing among the Congregation.
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Great news. The WTS did not commit spiritual prostitution with UN.
by thirdwitness inhttp://www.jehovahsjudgment.co.uk/watchtower-un-ngo/
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Maybe Interesting Blood News
by truth.ceeker ini had a meeting with my heart surgeon yesterday, and after informing him of our faith, my wife still holding onto to parts of the organization, the dr. said that, "there is a new form that just came out last year from your mother church in new york.
" what this document does is (1) make it clear that the person is not allowing blood to be used, (2) makes it clear that the dr. will have a court order ready in case blood is deemed medically necessary to sustain life and (3) absolves the person's conscience of any guilt if it came down to it.
i'm not sure if this document has been discussed before, but i thought that it was a bit intriguing.
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Hello and thank you very much for the warm words of encouragement. This really is a blessing. I now have the form but it is a bit more simplistic than what the Dr. described. It's been a while since I have seen anything like this so I don't have a reference point to go on but I think some of you may have more information on it.
It's a bit choppy as this is a fax, but I can get a better copy and scan it later. I'm now wondering if this is just the same information that has always been used. Or I was thinking that this form may be more generic but the HLC may have something different. I'm not sure, just speculating.
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Maybe Interesting Blood News
by truth.ceeker ini had a meeting with my heart surgeon yesterday, and after informing him of our faith, my wife still holding onto to parts of the organization, the dr. said that, "there is a new form that just came out last year from your mother church in new york.
" what this document does is (1) make it clear that the person is not allowing blood to be used, (2) makes it clear that the dr. will have a court order ready in case blood is deemed medically necessary to sustain life and (3) absolves the person's conscience of any guilt if it came down to it.
i'm not sure if this document has been discussed before, but i thought that it was a bit intriguing.
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I have put a call into the surgeon and his nurse practitioner to have them fax or mail me the form as soon as possible. I appreciate your kind words of concern. This surgery is for my seven year old daughter who has a congenital heart defect and will undergo open heart surgery to repair the hole.
Although my wife is still grasping to the teaching of the society, she has volunteered to donate her own blood to our daughter. I felt very proud of her for doing this even before I was going to ask her. I have been slowly letting her know about the eye opening things I have learned while reading JWD.
For those who are eagerly waiting, I hope to get it soon because I could hardly believe it myself when the surgeon told me about it. He said that it came out of our "mother church" in New York. So it could be part of something that the society is trying to change or implement without much hoopla. I tried explaining what impact this form could have to the conscience of other witnesses, but she was having a hard time trying to understand it.
Considering it is 4PM here, I may not get an answer until Tuesday. But when I get it, I will share it...truth.ceeker..
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Maybe Interesting Blood News
by truth.ceeker ini had a meeting with my heart surgeon yesterday, and after informing him of our faith, my wife still holding onto to parts of the organization, the dr. said that, "there is a new form that just came out last year from your mother church in new york.
" what this document does is (1) make it clear that the person is not allowing blood to be used, (2) makes it clear that the dr. will have a court order ready in case blood is deemed medically necessary to sustain life and (3) absolves the person's conscience of any guilt if it came down to it.
i'm not sure if this document has been discussed before, but i thought that it was a bit intriguing.
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Hello,
I had a meeting with my heart surgeon yesterday, and after informing him of our faith, my wife still holding onto to parts of the organization, the dr. said that, "there is a new form that just came out last year from your mother church in New York." What this document does is (1) Make it clear that the person is not allowing blood to be used, (2) makes it clear that the dr. will have a court order ready in case blood is deemed medically necessary to sustain life and (3) absolves the person's conscience of any guilt if it came down to it.
I'm not sure if this document has been discussed before, but I thought that it was a bit intriguing. My surgeon will be providing me with the form to sign. He said that the surgeons now use it when operating on witnesses as it clears up many controversies. I find it very illuminating that the Society would produce such a document that basically gives the dr. permission to use blood but does not hold the person responsible for accepting it.
If anyone has discussed it before, please post the thread. I will get the document scanned as soon as I get it...truth.ceeker..
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the best bible software??
by Ade ini wouldnt mind purchasing a piece of bible software, has anyone got any good advice on a quality piece at a reasonable price please.
god bless .
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I'd have to say esword is great for the price and the features are very robust. Lots of add-ons make researching the bible fun and enlightening.
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p.s. and if you have a pocket pc device, you can get esword on that as well. Very handy for taking it all with you. -
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Time again for........ Congregation roll call
by Jourles init's been a while since this topic has been brought up.
use it as a chance to see if there is someone you might know from years past.
1973-1976 --- lakeside, ca??
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Of what I can remember:
- 1990 - Bellmead, Waco, TX
- 1991 - Riveroaks, Ft. Worth, TX
- 1991 - Riverside, Ft. Worth, TX
- 1991 - Keller, Keller TX
- 1992 -
- 1993 - Grapevine, Grapevine, TX
- 1994 -
- 1995 -
- 1996 - Bedford, Bedford, TX
- 1997 -
- 1998 -
- 1999 -
- 2000 - Senter Park, Irving, TX
- 2001 - Grapevine, Grapevine, TX
- 2002 - Lewisville South, Lewisville, TX
- 2003 - Beaverton, Beaverton, OR
- 2004 -
- 2005 -
- 2006 - Shavano Park, San Antonio, TX
Anyone know of the Herbelins in Waco, a family of 7 brothers, all in the construction field or the Hardy's, another family of 7 brothers in the Mid-Cities in the construction field.
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The Corporation of the Church
by truth.ceeker ini was wondering, after reading a few threads on how the wtbts has set itself up so as to protect its assets from legal liabilities should they get sued, 'why would a religious organization need to do that?
' well, taking a lesson learned from other religious denominations, it seems that that wtbts needs to keep a stronghold on it's financial assets and those things that generate it.
my question is, 'do other denominations also set themselves up in such a way so as to keep it's financial assets protected from lawsuits?
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I was wondering, after reading a few threads on how the WTBTS has set itself up so as to protect its assets from legal liabilities should they get sued, 'Why would a religious organization need to do that?' Well, taking a lesson learned from other religious denominations, it seems that that WTBTS needs to keep a stronghold on it's financial assets and those things that generate it. My question is, 'Do other denominations also set themselves up in such a way so as to keep it's financial assets protected from lawsuits?' I can't recall reading about if they did or not. I assume some might but is that the norm or the exception? I understand that there are some people who live on lawsuits and that is their main source of income. I was wondering about this.
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When is it appropriate for a JW to refuse to supply a Watchtower???
by Black Sheep ini have been refused copies of recent watchtowers by my daughter.. she will give them to me..... "if you can tell me that you think jw may have the truth and that is why you want to read them you can have them.".
do any of you know of any instructions from the wackotower for refusing to supply someone with their litterature?.
cheers.
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..That would have been a better read! I wonder if that book is still around or most likely burned or trashed. Too bad. I'm curious what the 'corrections' were.
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Great news. The WTS did not commit spiritual prostitution with UN.
by thirdwitness inhttp://www.jehovahsjudgment.co.uk/watchtower-un-ngo/
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It would seem that their is much hypocrisy at the WTBTS. I think this would make a great example between abstaining from blood. Blood is holy, the Beast and Harlot are not. Yet, some try to say, "Oh, it was nothing like that" and pass it off as a mere happenstance. You cannot be sitting on the fence with this issue, either they are with GOD or not. Either they are sitting at GOD's table or not. We all know what the other side is and who rules it. You can't be just a minor member or have what-so-ever affiliation, ties, whatever you want to call it, with the Beast and the Harlot and say it was blown out of proportion. The fact is that the WTBTS and all it's affiliations should have had NO contact, affiliation, membership, WHAT-SO-EVER with the UN. Period. It's that simple.
However, if we apply the 'New Light' on blood principle to this matter, we can see how some have reasoned within themselves and proceeded to say it was ok since they are involved just a fraction. Just a fraction is a matter of conscience, but we all know what the real answer is according to the WTBTS. Reading the letters on the site made some glaring realizations, all this fuss is about someone having access to the UN's library to gather research material for the WatchTower and Awake magazines. This made me think, "Oh great, my so called spiritual food is coming from Satan's table!"
It would have been better if the Society, ripped it's outer garments and rub ashes on it's heads and confessed their sins and pleaded for mercy and forgiveness. But Jehovah God has hardened their hearts and their pride is puff up and they will not do so, thus God's judgments are coming to them swiftly.
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Senate approves child abuse, predator bill
by truth.ceeker inwell, it looks like i posted my topic under the wrong category.
it should have been posted to this one.
but instead of making a duplicate post, i'll just place the link to it.
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Well, It looks like I posted my topic under the wrong category. It should have been posted to this one. But instead of making a duplicate post, I'll just place the link to it. http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/11/117210/1.ashx. Maybe the forum admin can move it to where it belongs.
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