Posts by I-follow-the-narrow-path

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Excommunication is good!!!!

by I-follow-the-narrow-path in

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friends

while talking to my teacher today we talked about excommunication.

i told her i thought it was mean to not talk to those members which have been excommunicated.

she told me; however, that those who leave the church should be punished.

Why does everyone continually think that I assume I NEED this organization.
No where did I state I NEEDED it, but I said it helps.
I don't need an ORG, but I think it help me get closer to God
It is the way I learn... some people can be independent studying material, but I need help learning.
"Why is it okay for witnesses to tell you what is right but not ex-witnesses or people whose family have become witnesses and have seen what it has done to them? "
I am NOT saying that it is not okay to listen to ex-witnesses. I am just weary
I mean... twice a week for the past month or so I have been meeting with someone who would hate me doing this.
By this I mean... going on this site. I put so much trust in her... I shouldn't,but... I don't know
I don't like making anyone feel bad and I don't want to make you people feel bad.
Everyone here is so nice to me and I don't want to hurt anyone. :( Please do not think that Nothing you say matters to me, because it does.
Deep inside I know it does, I am just scared to displease my teacher... It is guilt I guess.
You think she is controlling how I feel? "Can you see that it's because he loves you and would be concerned that he'd be losing you? Don't you think your father might want to protect you? "
Well... weather I become a witness or not he should respect what I want to do. Weather it is to become a drug dealer (I don't want to), or a teacher to kids in 3rd world countries.
Anyone who sees this site and knows me... will oppose me and question me.
I already got some friends mad at me, for even studying with the JWs.

81

Excommunication is good!!!!

by I-follow-the-narrow-path in

jw
friends

while talking to my teacher today we talked about excommunication.

i told her i thought it was mean to not talk to those members which have been excommunicated.

she told me; however, that those who leave the church should be punished.

I-follow-the-narrow-path

:( awwww that is so sad. 5 years old... that is so young. Why would someone come out and say that!?
Quit it... you are making me think now

81

Excommunication is good!!!!

by I-follow-the-narrow-path in

jw
friends

while talking to my teacher today we talked about excommunication.

i told her i thought it was mean to not talk to those members which have been excommunicated.

she told me; however, that those who leave the church should be punished.

I-follow-the-narrow-path

:) YES, I care a lot. Maybe, I just like hiding it. Maybe I just don't want you all to know I really care (and enjoy) this site

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Excommunication is good!!!!

by I-follow-the-narrow-path in

jw
friends

while talking to my teacher today we talked about excommunication.

i told her i thought it was mean to not talk to those members which have been excommunicated.

she told me; however, that those who leave the church should be punished.

I-follow-the-narrow-path

:( I am not saying I don't listen to you people. I am saying I do not care.
Do you think I am cold hearted. I care.. I really do. Just confused.

81

Excommunication is good!!!!

by I-follow-the-narrow-path in

jw
friends

while talking to my teacher today we talked about excommunication.

i told her i thought it was mean to not talk to those members which have been excommunicated.

she told me; however, that those who leave the church should be punished.

I-follow-the-narrow-path

That is just common sense Josie... WHY would I wear that stuff anyway?

81

Excommunication is good!!!!

by I-follow-the-narrow-path in

jw
friends

while talking to my teacher today we talked about excommunication.

i told her i thought it was mean to not talk to those members which have been excommunicated.

she told me; however, that those who leave the church should be punished.

I-follow-the-narrow-path

Abaddon
"So you're saying that the contact you have with Witnesses, and your growing belief in what they say does NOT control how you think and feel? To me it sounds very much like you're being controlled."
I am not controlled... merly learning. For example: I decide to study Greek mythology (maybe I am interested)
And so I ask someone to teach me about it. I start learning more and more.
It is like that... I am just learning, does that mean I am controlled? Of course NOT.
Do the JWs tell me who to hang out with, NO
Do they tell me what to wear, NO
Does the bible tell me these things though, yes
So yes, I am controlled, but not by JW- By God. I can not be selfish I must be selfless.
"So are you saying there's no such thing as cults? Or that JW's are not a cult? What about Mormons, Moonies and Sociologists? Are they cults? If so, what is the difference between those characteristics that make them cults and those of the JW's?"
What I am saying is that JW is not a cult, NOT that cults do not exist. :) Well.... I do not know much about Mormons or Moonies... Are they a cult?
"Or is it that you now feel you have all these new requirements to live up to, a conflict between how you feel and how your family would feel? More stress? Is being involved with the Witnesses part of your relapse?"
Well... I go into relapses when there is a lot of stress. Just adapting to the new enviorment would be somewhat stressful. Sometimes it is hard for me to get close to people. This is because when I first meet someone I really like them, but then find their faults and can be somewhat withdrawn. It happens with everyone at some point. I don't really hang on to friends long.
"Because they are controlling the way you think. Early on in their contact with people JW's will give the person they study with the impression they are likely to experience disapproval or opposition from friends and family, maybe even spiritual problems, as the wicked spirit of the world tries to dissuade the person from getting involved in the truth. Any opposition will reinforce any beliefs that person has about it being the truth."
I do not think that is true... I think that myself... whatever I write is my own words, NOT what the JWs. I mean sure... they tell me a lot of stuff and I believe it, but let me give you an example:
I am having trouble with a problem in class. The teacher (being more intelligent than I) comes over and helps me with the problem. Telling me exactly how to do the problem. Step by Step.
Am I to question someone who is more advanced than myself?
"Did you get counselling before? You should speak to your councillor"
Yes, I have seeked counselling.. went to 4 meetings. Than I missed one and my parents forgot about it
They saw me cut again and I asked them to take me to someone, but they said it wouldn't helped, if it didn't help before
BUT that was the only conselor I talked to... 4 meetings MUST show improvment, right?
EXTRA NOTES:
I really like the JW... exspecially my instructor, she makes me feel happy
Honestly, I think I am closer to her than I am to my own family.
I have a lot of issues, I get attached to easily. I know soon I will NOT like the new people I met
I will find their faults and want to avoid them. I can't help that.
I like comfort from others, but resent the responsibility being a friend,
Besides the JWs being so nice to me I think the reason I stay is because
They are very logical... all there facts (yes I say facts) are clear and logical
I think religion is good for a person like me, because it will keep purpose in my life
I think belonging to a group like JW will make me feel safe and secure
Other churchs (or congregations) I have visited are not as welcoming
I like being with people who accept me right of hand vs. having to get to know people
I like making friends right away... I do not like trying to see if a relationship will work.

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A song for you

by I-follow-the-narrow-path in

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friends

i wrote the following song... i thought it explained how, maybe, people felt when they were leaving the org.

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here it is and i hope you like it.

I-follow-the-narrow-path

I wrote the following song... I thought it explained how, maybe, people felt when they were leaving the ORG.

Here it is and I hope you like it.

All I have is me

Verse One:

Will you forgive me? Do you even think that I deserve

Such torture surrounding me, such torturing killing me slowly

And I can not be the only one, who feels trapped inside this world

And I can not be the only one, who feels deserted ever more

I will not break, I will not cry, but do you now how I feel inside?

Chorus:

It’s consuming me , it kills me as I sleep.

Tearing my own thoughts and all I have now is me.

I can not take this anymore, so the pain it shuts the door

Forbidden from my own imagination,

For why do you control me?

Verse Two:

Why can’t I just leave? Is it because I don’t want to be alone

If I leave right now… can I still go home?

I wanna hug you, but my thoughts keep me away

I wanna love you, but it is impossible this way.

And why are you so controlled? They have taken my only hope.

I just want to say, I just want to say

Chorus:

It’s consuming me, it kills me as I sleep

Tearing my own thoughts and all I have now is me

I can not take this anymore, so the pain it shuts the door

Forbidden from my own imagination

For why do you control me?

Verse Three:

Are you embarrassed? Knowing I have thought for myself

Are you embarrassed? Knowing that I have proved you wrong

Are you embarrassed? To admit I’ve been dying all along.

For why… do you deny… do you care… that I…am already dead

Do you even care what I have said?

It’s consuming me, it kills me as I sleep

Tearing my own thoughts and all I have now is… me.

81

Excommunication is good!!!!

by I-follow-the-narrow-path in

jw
friends

while talking to my teacher today we talked about excommunication.

i told her i thought it was mean to not talk to those members which have been excommunicated.

she told me; however, that those who leave the church should be punished.

I-follow-the-narrow-path

"Don't let the JWs play bait-and-switch mind games with you."

What do you mean by that?

Also... someone said it may be to late to save me. HONESTLY , I do not want to be save I want to listen.

Being saved is not my ultimate goal here, for I already am anyway (in heaven) :) AND I do not say that because of the JWs.

I know... I should read more stuff and sometimes I do. I read light stuff though... about cults and brainwashing. I do not believe any of it

People can not brainwash you, for we control are own actions. Understand?

I control what I think, how I feel, how I talk and no one else.

81

Excommunication is good!!!!

by I-follow-the-narrow-path in

jw
friends

while talking to my teacher today we talked about excommunication.

i told her i thought it was mean to not talk to those members which have been excommunicated.

she told me; however, that those who leave the church should be punished.

I-follow-the-narrow-path

Thanks everyone
I wanted to know (assuming I would go through) I used to be a self harmer (in remission now). Under a lot of stree
I come out of remission... what if the congregation saw I cut myself. Would they call that a misuse of blood? Would I be disfellowshipped? Can one before baptism get disfellowshipped?
I totally understand when people say I do not need an organization. But look at it this way
You have a big project do at school and you can not get it done in the one weekend. So you ask for help (org)
I am trying to finish the project of getting closer to God... it is not as easy on my own.
Sure it is possible, but is so much easier and nicer to have others help you.
PLEASE do not think I block out everything you people say. I don't. I really apperciate it, but it is just a lot to take.
You critizing the WTBS feels like you attacking God... I don't know why it feels that way. It just does. And those are hard insults to take, but I will try and listen carefully.

81

Excommunication is good!!!!

by I-follow-the-narrow-path in

jw
friends

while talking to my teacher today we talked about excommunication.

i told her i thought it was mean to not talk to those members which have been excommunicated.

she told me; however, that those who leave the church should be punished.

I-follow-the-narrow-path

I just do not understand, if it is "the faithful and descreet slave" Who are you to judge God?
No one said living up to Jehovah Gods word easy.
Please do not give me any watchtower quotes. My father already saw me looking at this site (non JW) and if he found out their were opposers to the religion he might talk to me about NOT joining.
I just... I want to understand, but... I am confused at what is truth. Or maybe I am just blocking you out... because I am scared that I will give into what you say. I don't want others telling me what is right.
As for disfellowshipping.. I am sorry... I know it is hard
But honestly... Jehovah God has his reasons. SURE the Elders are in the decision, but they are higher athurioty.
Is it not like a child disobeying it's father? Yes, the child questions why, but is it not in the end for the best?
Please do not take me as heartless... I am not