Elsewhere:
But don't you have the right to appeal. To be d.f.ed for not understanding what someone meant, and it stayed that way!?
Warlock (the "beginning to get angry" one)
first rutherford said that "millions now living will never die".
then he tells parents they should not have children as the end is so close.. the awake!
1969 says that "young people will never grow old in this system of things.".
Elsewhere:
But don't you have the right to appeal. To be d.f.ed for not understanding what someone meant, and it stayed that way!?
Warlock (the "beginning to get angry" one)
i got jolted into a forgotten realization by arthur's world events and time of the end thread.. my personal "truth" was and is - i never even really believed in it!!!.
and, yet allowed myself to get brainwashed into following around like a robot and talking to other people like i did...unbelievable now that i think about it.
but in the back of my mind (what little part was still working on its own) i was just thinking - yea sure.
I thought 666 day was Tuesday.
Warlock
i got jolted into a forgotten realization by arthur's world events and time of the end thread.. my personal "truth" was and is - i never even really believed in it!!!.
and, yet allowed myself to get brainwashed into following around like a robot and talking to other people like i did...unbelievable now that i think about it.
but in the back of my mind (what little part was still working on its own) i was just thinking - yea sure.
I did and still do. I just don't think I'm going to live to see it.
Warlock (the "I still have a little faith left" one)
i realize that this topic has been discussed at length, but since i'm new to this site, i wanted to pose the question again.
i ask this question because of the wide range in ages of all of you on this site.
but what about those who had already left the organization before 2001?
For me, all those events just reinforced my idea that we were living in the "last days".
The cry of "Peace and Security" is what I was looking for. It was supposed to be a very clear and unmistakable sign, like the Roman armies withdrawing from Jerusalem and coming back, which I have forgotten the details of. Was it 64 A.D. and returning in 70 A.D.?
Anyway, the 1986 International Year of Peace thing didn't mean anything to me, because I was sure that wasn't the sign. I don't even think it made the front page of the paper.
The thing that killed me, among a few other things, was the 1914 generation change. It took a few years to sink in, but when it did, I realized I was just going to get old and die in this system.
Could it still happen? Yes, but I keep remembering the scripture about someone with special mightiness living until 70 or 80, so someone even born in 1914 has been dead since 1994, right?
Also, the scripture that Blondie brought up about the end coming when you do not expect it, has always bothered me since I read it. Seems like everyone is expecting the end, even Christendom.
Warlock
when i was about 12 years old, i used to see a religious show on sunday mornings called "amazing prophecies".
what the ministers name was, i don't remember.
at the end of the show, he asked those who wanted to be saved and have jesus come into their heart, to pray along with him, so i prayed along with him, because i wanted to be saved.. about 13 years later, i become a j.w.
Well, I certainly don't consider myself "precious".
Warlock
it seems that for jws, the demon thing is one of the few "eyewitness" confirmations of what the wts says.
there seems to be such an atmosphere of confirming testimonials that the jws relate back and forth to each other...but are they factual accounts or simply recycled "urban legends"?.
interestingly, the most dramatic demon stories are nearly always something that happened to someone else.. why is it that jws have seen more "demons" than anyone i've ever known in my life?
Don't get me started. Ha,ha.
Warlock
not sure if it is the correct terminology, but i've heard of a few instances where the society had to step in and completely "delete" a congregation because of issues with incompetent elders and out of control publishers.
i've never heard specifics.
does this actually happen?
Just for the record, I never belonged to that "spiritistic" congregation.
At one of the "secret" meetings with the c.o., he told us of a cong. where the whole servant body was removed, the kingdom hall was locked up without telling the publishers. When the publishers arrived for the next scheduled meeting, suprise, suprise. No one could get into the hall.
One week later, the hall opened, with a new servant body and a new name.
The whole process began like this: A little old sister told the c.o. that the elders were laughing behind his back while he was there and laughing about him after he left (his last visit) because they were doing a whole lot of things they shouldn't have been doing. She told him all the things that were going on and that's what lead to it all. They deserved it.
Warlock
did something say something like that po who said`cats represent the beast' so you shouldn't stroke them'
In one of the public talks, the elder giving the talk said " if you think one hour a month will get you into the new system, you are wrong". Then he laughed.
Now, how do you think that made the publishers who were really getting that one hour, because that was all they really could get every month?
What about the irregular publishers?
What about the inactives?
What about the sick ones who could barely get out of bed to get to the Sunday meeting, let alone field service?
How encouraging!
Warlock (who is pissed off now, remembering this stuff)
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keep trying to get to your meetings remember the sister who walked 2 hours one way to feast at the spiritual banquet , or the bro who crossed crocodile infested waters to get to his meeting.. anyone remember any other guilt trip inducing illustrations?
It took me a LONG time to be able to leave my house during the hours I should have been at the meetings without thinking something bad was going to happen to me.
Sometimes, it still gets into my head on meeting days. So sad.
Warlock
i mean even the most rabid apostates in the land!
we all show up and sit in the hall and wait to be assigned a cargroup.. would that raise a hell of a ruckus or not?
of course the df'd ones would not be assigned.
They would turn it into an endtime prophesy somehow!
Warlock