Posts by PrimateDave

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...New Study on Vegetarian`s...Not as Healthy as Some may Think...

by OUTLAW in

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sydney (afp) - people who live on vegetarian diets have slightly weaker bones than their meat-eating counterparts, australian researchers said thursday.. a joint australian-vietnamese study of links between the bones and diet of more than 2,700 people found that vegetarians had bones five percent less dense than meat-eaters, said lead researcher tuan nguyen.. the issue was most pronounced in vegans, who excluded all animal products from their diet and whose bones were six percent weaker, nguyen said.. there was "practically no difference" between the bones of meat-eaters and ovolactovegetarians, who excluded meat and seafood but ate eggs and dairy products, he said.. "the results suggest that vegetarian diets, particularly vegan diets, are associated with lower bone mineral density," nguyen wrote in the study, which was published thursday in the american journal of clinical nutrition.

"but the magnitude of the association is clinically insignificant," he added.. nguyen, who is from sydney's garvan institute for medical research and collaborated on the project with the pham ngoc thach university of medicine in ho chi minh city, said the question of whether the lower density bones translated to increased fracture risk was yet to be answered.. "given the rising number of vegetarians, roughly five percent (of people) in western countries, and the widespread incidence of osteoporosis, the issue is worth resolving," he said.. .

article taken from yahoo news ...........................outlaw.

PrimateDave

One of the major factors in bone loss, besides normal aging, is simply inactivity due to a sedentary lifestyle. Astronauts who spend a significant amount of time in low gravity environments suffer rapid decreases in bone density.

There is anecdotal evidence to suggest that eating and drinking large amounts of low pH foods and drinks (like Coke and Pepsi) cause the body to deplete its calcium reserves to maintain proper internal pH balance. Perhaps the soft drink industry would like to fund a study on that?

Protein deficiency is a non-issue. You literally have to be starving yourself to experience protein deficiency. Protein quality, with a few notable exceptions, is a non-issue. Food combining is not necessary for vegans to get adequate protein. The food combining myth was disproven decades ago. There is no basis for the notion that animal proteins are better absorbed by the body. Certain animal proteins, like casein, have been linked to disease in humans.

Studies like the one cited by Outlaw irritate me because I have attempted to make healthy lifestyle changes many, many times over the past decade or so. It takes a lot of will power to overcome long time eating habits. On top of that, I love the taste of foods that are supposed to be unhealthy. So, in the past I would start trying out a new diet and exercise routine. Then I would come across some "study" that suggested I was wasting my time. Finally, I would relapse into old habits, thinking that all the foods I loved weren't so bad after all.

It appears to me that for every bit of good research out there that challenges the dominant, well funded food industry, there's a lot of public relations and marketing designed to minimize or circumvent that research. Large studies cost a lot of money to implement, and researchers have to pay their bills just like everyone else. So, I have to wonder when I read the results of a study that appears to confirm the dominant paradigm, where did the funding for that research come from? Instead of focusing on general measures of health and well-being, why does that research narrow its focus to a single factor? Did the study in question actually deal with osteoporosis, or was mention of that disability added by a public relations team? Why?

Of course, it's not just this study. There seems to be a push to market omega-3 fatty acids and the fish that contain them. Why is that? Eating a lot of oily fish won't overcome the effects of bad lifestyle choices, just like popping vitamin pills won't make someone who eats a lot of junk food healthy.

Dave

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Faith of the Fatherless: The Psychology of Atheism

by whereami in

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has anyone ever read this?.

most atheists come from a family where the father was missing, dead, weak or abusive.

paul c. vitz has written a very interesting book entitled faith of the fatherless: the psychology of atheism (spence, 1999).. .

PrimateDave

From what I can Google I think that Vitz' focus is on the "militant" atheists-intellectuals of the past couple of centuries in comparison to their theistic counterparts. I get the impression that the book is an academic effort.

As a non-militant agnostic-atheist all I can say is that I have a father who was always there in my youth. While we were never as close as I have seen some father-son relationships, we were by no means antagonistic. Our relationship has generally improved over the years. While "God" was always present in name and through the actions of a book and magazine publishing company, He was unabie to respond to prayers or provide any evidence of existence independent of human support. It just seemed natural to stop going through the motions of expressing belief and "worship."

Dave

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...New Study on Vegetarian`s...Not as Healthy as Some may Think...

by OUTLAW in

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sydney (afp) - people who live on vegetarian diets have slightly weaker bones than their meat-eating counterparts, australian researchers said thursday.. a joint australian-vietnamese study of links between the bones and diet of more than 2,700 people found that vegetarians had bones five percent less dense than meat-eaters, said lead researcher tuan nguyen.. the issue was most pronounced in vegans, who excluded all animal products from their diet and whose bones were six percent weaker, nguyen said.. there was "practically no difference" between the bones of meat-eaters and ovolactovegetarians, who excluded meat and seafood but ate eggs and dairy products, he said.. "the results suggest that vegetarian diets, particularly vegan diets, are associated with lower bone mineral density," nguyen wrote in the study, which was published thursday in the american journal of clinical nutrition.

"but the magnitude of the association is clinically insignificant," he added.. nguyen, who is from sydney's garvan institute for medical research and collaborated on the project with the pham ngoc thach university of medicine in ho chi minh city, said the question of whether the lower density bones translated to increased fracture risk was yet to be answered.. "given the rising number of vegetarians, roughly five percent (of people) in western countries, and the widespread incidence of osteoporosis, the issue is worth resolving," he said.. .

article taken from yahoo news ...........................outlaw.

PrimateDave

The Great Protein Myth

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...New Study on Vegetarian`s...Not as Healthy as Some may Think...

by OUTLAW in

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sydney (afp) - people who live on vegetarian diets have slightly weaker bones than their meat-eating counterparts, australian researchers said thursday.. a joint australian-vietnamese study of links between the bones and diet of more than 2,700 people found that vegetarians had bones five percent less dense than meat-eaters, said lead researcher tuan nguyen.. the issue was most pronounced in vegans, who excluded all animal products from their diet and whose bones were six percent weaker, nguyen said.. there was "practically no difference" between the bones of meat-eaters and ovolactovegetarians, who excluded meat and seafood but ate eggs and dairy products, he said.. "the results suggest that vegetarian diets, particularly vegan diets, are associated with lower bone mineral density," nguyen wrote in the study, which was published thursday in the american journal of clinical nutrition.

"but the magnitude of the association is clinically insignificant," he added.. nguyen, who is from sydney's garvan institute for medical research and collaborated on the project with the pham ngoc thach university of medicine in ho chi minh city, said the question of whether the lower density bones translated to increased fracture risk was yet to be answered.. "given the rising number of vegetarians, roughly five percent (of people) in western countries, and the widespread incidence of osteoporosis, the issue is worth resolving," he said.. .

article taken from yahoo news ...........................outlaw.

PrimateDave

Outlaw, well said. Here's to your continued good health!

Dave

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...New Study on Vegetarian`s...Not as Healthy as Some may Think...

by OUTLAW in

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sydney (afp) - people who live on vegetarian diets have slightly weaker bones than their meat-eating counterparts, australian researchers said thursday.. a joint australian-vietnamese study of links between the bones and diet of more than 2,700 people found that vegetarians had bones five percent less dense than meat-eaters, said lead researcher tuan nguyen.. the issue was most pronounced in vegans, who excluded all animal products from their diet and whose bones were six percent weaker, nguyen said.. there was "practically no difference" between the bones of meat-eaters and ovolactovegetarians, who excluded meat and seafood but ate eggs and dairy products, he said.. "the results suggest that vegetarian diets, particularly vegan diets, are associated with lower bone mineral density," nguyen wrote in the study, which was published thursday in the american journal of clinical nutrition.

"but the magnitude of the association is clinically insignificant," he added.. nguyen, who is from sydney's garvan institute for medical research and collaborated on the project with the pham ngoc thach university of medicine in ho chi minh city, said the question of whether the lower density bones translated to increased fracture risk was yet to be answered.. "given the rising number of vegetarians, roughly five percent (of people) in western countries, and the widespread incidence of osteoporosis, the issue is worth resolving," he said.. .

article taken from yahoo news ...........................outlaw.

PrimateDave

"Not as healthy as some may think"?

You have one - ONE - study that bases it's conclusion on a 5 to 6 percent difference in bone density? Osteoporosis isn't prevented by eating meat or drinking milk, because if it was, America should have the lowest incidence of this condition in the world by far, and it doesn't.

Why should it matter if some people don't eat meat? Most vegetarians and vegans are just people who exercise their freedom of choice about what they include in their diet. The nutjobs (PETA) are in the minority.

I eat meat about once a month. On top of that I still like to eat too many prepackaged snack foods. My diet isn't perfect, but I do try to base the majority of what I eat on whole plant foods. Since I started at the beginning of this year, I have lost fat weight and gained strength, lowered my blood pressure, improved my aerobic endurance, and just look and feel better. I'm 41 now, and I want to live to be 100! The typical American diet has lead to the premature demise of several in my family because of cancer, congestive heart failure, strokes, and diabetes. These are lifestyle diseases. There are people around the world right now who are reversing arteriosclerosis, and reducing the chance of a heart attack, by adopting a strict vegetarian diet.

So, when I see a "study" quoted that appears to support the meat and dairy industries, I just have to call bullshit. Eat what you want, I don't care, but don't piss into the wind and tell me it's raining.

The China Study

Dave

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It's not OK to blast music in your driveway if you are in a neighborhood.

by restrangled in

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july 4th is ramping up....several neighbors feel its ok to blast their radios.

by blast, i mean i can hear the music from a block over.

i have rock coming from the back of my house, spanish music coming from either side of me, and christian rock filling in front.

PrimateDave

Here in PR, no one would ever think to call the police about someone playing the stereo too loud.

Don't get me wrong, though. I fully realize that I don't have to be here. I have enjoyed living here. There are just some things that are considered "normal" here that really bug me.

I try to be considerate of other people, but there are those who exist in a world where everything revolves around themselves and other people don't matter.

Dave

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It's not OK to blast music in your driveway if you are in a neighborhood.

by restrangled in

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july 4th is ramping up....several neighbors feel its ok to blast their radios.

by blast, i mean i can hear the music from a block over.

i have rock coming from the back of my house, spanish music coming from either side of me, and christian rock filling in front.

PrimateDave

Unfortunately, this is something I put up with on a fairly regular basis. Puerto Ricans love to "share" their music with their neighbors. Actually, though, I live in one of the better areas. After sundown during the week it is quiet. Weekends are more noisy. Holiday weekends are the worst. I've gone to sleep sometimes with earplugs and padded headphones in an effort to block out the bass. I wish there was an over the counter medication that causes temporary deafness.

Dave

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How Life Began - Expelled Move Clip

by hooberus in

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http://www.expelledthemovie.com/videos.php.

to see: click on "how life began".

PrimateDave

I was finally able to see this movie.

This isn't about science and the Theory of Evolution. It's about Ben Stein's belief in God. Sure, at the beginning of the movie Ben is presenting this as a purely scientific matter, as if there is a conspiracy in the establishment against those who don't adhere to the dogma of strict Darwinianism. Perhaps Ben should have stuck to this theme and presented some of the supposedly heretical science that is causing the individuals he interviewed to lose their jobs. Show us some of this "good science" that is being discriminated against, Ben!

No, unfortunately Ben takes us on a tour of social Darwinism, eugenics, and the Holocaust, all while conveniently forgetting that humans have always found excuses, including a belief in a loving God, to do harm to their fellow humans. The unspoken but clearly implied idea is that moral values are based on belief in God, and the Theory of Evolution leads to atheism, moral decay, and the devaluation of human life. I found it particularly disgusting that he used the Holocaust of WWII, Hitler, and Nazism in an attempt to prove his point. Hey, I thought this was supposed to be about science, Ben?

I didnt' think Richard Dawkins gave a good interview. I enjoyed him read the passage in his book about the God of the Old Testament. Ben Stein, being Jewish, probably didn't appreciate it, though. When pressed for an idea about where life came from, Richard should not have mentioned extra terrestrial intelligent life, which implies "intelligent design." Richard simply didn't want to be the one to say "I don't know." Isn't that the crux of the issue? One person says, "I know how this came about: it was designed." Another person says, "I don't know how this came about. I'm going to look deeper until I find an explanation."

Sorry, Ben, not even polished production values can save this one. "Expelled" = Failed.

Dave

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A "My Book of Bible Stories" tale that I've always hated

by JimmyPage in

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i've always hated story #53: "jepthah's promise".

i always felt sorry for the daughter who had to spend the rest of her days at the tabernacle because her father made a numb-nuts promise to god.

who did he think he was, making promises for other people?

PrimateDave

Judges 11:40: "So it became a custom in Israel 40 for the maidens of Israel to go every year, for four days in the year, and chant dirges for the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite." JPS Tanakh

The account seems pretty clear that Jephthah killed his daughter. This is not surprising considering how much brutality is depicted in the book of Judges. Did the Bible Story book say anything about Jephthah being the son of a prostitute who got kicked out by his father's legitimate sons? I don't remember reading that, but it has been a while. He then became a marauder, leader of a gang of disreputable men. It really helps to read the whole story, the real point of which appears to be justifying the territorial claims of one primitive tribal group over another with the backing of the territorial tribal god Yahweh.

Dave

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The Book Of Revelation - Book Study

by ablebodiedman in

i understand that the revelation "climax" book is being studied again.. if you are a jehovah's witness out here in the internet wilderness there is a unique opportunity to.

measure what you are learning in the "climax" book against truths that exist outside of the organization.. i invite you to take some time to do that.

there are three short video's which examine the entire book using.

PrimateDave

and they took no note until the flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be.

Here Comes the Flood