i chose the screen name of ripvanwinkle because this fictious characher went to sleep and awoke in a different world.
different setting and must have suffered emotional shock.
coping skills needed to be learned.. i sometimes feel a little like him.
Hi brother,
RipVanWinkle, this devilish old timer, like you, just spent about 1/2 hour welcoming you. Telling a little about myself etc., etc. Only to lose it.
Let me say, Rip,(if I have your approval to shorten you handle)there are many GOOD person here on this forum, male and female. Might I add, they do not lack intelligence.
Be up front and don't try playing around with their minds, and you will gain for youself many brother and sister.
You are warmly welcomed.
DA
in another thread titled why?
in the beliefs and practices forum,.
i have an exchange going on with another woman.
Tina,
After reading all the below/above material on this subject, repressed or supressed women in the WBTS, I and my wife will have to agree with Flowerpetal.
In my household, as I assume in Flowerpetal's, there is no BOSS. I and my wife for the past 35++ years have been intelligent enough to know that a pair of mules (male/female) work together to accomplish a good job well done.
I have NEVER (to my knowledge) ever repressed or supressed another man's woman. Neither do I repress or supress my dog.
The matter remains, IF other men in this organization, wish to show their non-intelligence by putting their better half in a repressed or supressed position, well, that is their opinion, but not mine and I put my foot in my mouth by saying, it is not Flowerpetal husbands.
On a personal note.
Life can be beautiful if all of us can only come to grips with the fact, grant your fellow man (male/female) the diginity they deserve and everything works out. Problems will come, like a big root that gets into the plow, a good team of mules will plow right thru it.
Enough said.
DA
P.S. I am NOT trying to contradict the other posters on this subject, for they do have VALID points. I personlly have seen with my own eyes what has been typed. Each congregation has its' own set of "demons".
But if they would only apply Gal 5:22-23 we would not have this problem to be talking (typing) about.
"a helping hand".
a young girl, dressed in her kingdom halls' best was running.
as fast as she could to the kingdom hall down the street.. as she ran, she prayed, "jehvoah , please don't let me be.
"A Helping Hand"
A young girl, dressed in her Kingdom Halls' best was running
as fast as she could to the Kingdom Hall down the street.
As she ran, she prayed, "Jehvoah , please don't let me be
late! Jehovah, please don't let me be late"! At which monent,
she tripped on a curb and fell, getting her chothes all dirty
and tearing her dress.
She got up and brushed herself off, and started running
again and praying, "Jehovah, please don't let me be late!
BUT please, DON'T PUSH me".
DA
okay hi.
i'm new here and i kinda like it but i do have some question have any of you grown up in the truth and then some were along the line stop going to meeting well i did i found out about some stuff the organization was doing and it really disapointed me and also the congregations i have been in haven't been very confornting so if any of you have some you want to talk about or you have been through the same i would really like to hear from you .
discombobulatedgirl
Carmel, you state to Mac.
Mac,
which JW's judged you? Certainly not the ones here! this group of JWs are tired of being judged as are you and they don't seem to be the type that want any part of judging or being judged.
carmel,
The part were you said, "Certainly not the ones here"! I would like to add a little something to your post. I may be wrong, but I am of the opinion that the persons posting here and other boards by far and large are disfellowship(I personally don't like this word), although I am a active witness of many years.
My point is and I believe you may have the same reasoning. Just because an organization excommunicates a person dosen't mean that Jehovah God or His Son Jesus Christ has done so.
My view is, onces a person makes a vow to Jehvoah to do His will, whatever that my be, that person is a Jehovah's Witness (not necessary a WBTS member) but a Jehvoah's Witness until Jehovah says that He is breaking the contract with that person.
This might sound ODD to many a active Jehovah's Witness and ones who have decide to get off the rollercoaster that they got on without someone breaking his/her arm.
You are again right about the judging item. I believe that if you saw me do something that that was out of line with Jehovah's standards. It is you and you alone that can either forgive me or disfellowship me in your eye and HEART. Then leave it at that. Then if someone else saw me doing something out of line. That person can do the same. But as fall as letting the entire congregation know. NO. As far as I am concern it is between ME, YOU AND JEHOVAH, not a body of control freaks call elders.
By the way the elder arrangement was good when it first started, the rotating keep everyone humble. But as it is now, we are back to the old congregation overseer arrangement. BIG BOSS W/ BIG STICK. To much control by persons who by at least 70% are not quailfied to handle the problems of today. I was not there, but I venture to say that the elders who gave advice to the ones posting under, "I NEED HELP" , probably did not know "HOW" to give that help in the younger years.
Not complaining just explaining what I see.
DA
P.S. Carmel, we need more persons in this organization granting their fellow humans the dignity they deserve.
simon did away with the sex forum - so i must take the tradional route and post under "make new friends.
" how mundane!.
fyi ---- for all of us, please take the time to write a sentence or two about yourselves, and encourage new ones to do the same.
Waiting,
This is the first time that I have look in this part "Make New Friends" and guess who is the first person I see. Waiting. Good to see you are hanging around this place. Are you the oldest (as in time on this board)poster? It truly is a very interesting place, just like you told me when I was over on the old H20.
For all the new ones, this place is easy to get around. For the most part the people here, in my opinion are well educated and informed. So if you have any questions, feel free to ask. We do not disfellowship anyone unless they get out of hand. Then Simon does a good job at see that things are straighted out.(I don't know how much he is being paid). He payed me $50.00 to say this. You will fine that he is a very good and fair person. My wife and I were just saying last night, the world need more of his kind.
Waiting, H20 was getting a little low class typing (posters) (not that I feel I am anyone special). But it got to the point that no one was showing anyone any dignity. For me that's a must. Dignity begets dignity.
Glad to see you.
Typing to you later.
DA
what i find bemusing is, if there are any disfellowshipped ones in your hall they have to sit at the back.
now without getting into the merits/rights/wrongs of whether this should be still acceptable, where do they sit in your hall?
you see i seem to remember that they would sit on the back row, come in quietly just after the song and prayer and leave at the end just as quick.
Flowerfetal,
Thanks for straighting me out.
Hang in there girl.
DA
hi, i'm interested in learning more about 1975 only from a jehovah witnesses.
i understand it was thought to be the "end of the world" by us jws but it didn't happen.
nonjws need not comment.
Diner this is DevilsAdvocate_DA
I would like to say of all the comments that were given you, I as an oldtimer in this organization, believe that Zev has given you some fine advice. Especially what I have underlined. I have taken the liberty to edit his/her thoughts just a bit.
Take some time to look a tad deeper my friend. I don't have all the answers, and I dont even know where I will go from here...but belief in Jehovah God, his son Jesus Christ and the Bible (as a whole) are rock solid. Believe in "man" and follow "man" [man=g.b.=wtbts] and you might as well stick a ring in your nose for them to lead you off. And where will they lead you?
Diner, your first alligence is to the one's ZEV stated -- Jehovah and Jesus. True they are using the organization WBTS to accomplish their aims. But, just like Isarael of old, whom Jehovah used, in time their haughty heads got in their way. Jehovah took action to remove them from his service after their usefulness was need no more. C.E. 70. What Jehovah will do with these haughty men and women (sometime when you are behind the lock doors you come to find out that what come out of GB's mouths is the words of their wives) neither you or I nor anyone else on this board knows what He has in store ( You need to read YouKnows last post over on H20). All I do is sit and wait, sit and wait -- just as they are doing ---- watching the human family as we put on a show.
1975 was a very hard year for me. I never did believe what was being said. At the time my wife and I had many Bible studies. In fact at one Circuit Assembly of the thirteen person baptized twelve were ones we studied with. The hard time was, the constant effort my wife and I had in down playing the 1975 hysteria. Believe me it was there. But not for us. We could find no Bibical proof for such statements. So we would not let it enter our minds as a safe guard. There were plenty other good things to talk about. Happy to say, all the ones we studied with are still hanging in. The same with the one we have studied with after the 1975 period. We stress getting to know Jehovah, Jesus Christ, God Word the Bible, and individuals in the organization that are compatable with them, but be friendly with all, just like we do with a clerk or cashier as the locate grocery store.
Diner, I could go on and type twenty or fifty pages on this subject, but of what value, crying over spilled milk is a waste of time, plus it only adds to the waste I caused in the first place. Let it go. Move on with whatever life style you personally want to make you happy. Leave things in Jehovah Gods and Jesus Christ hands and have a life based on Gal. 5:22-23, if you want.
DA
HappyToBeFree,
I am happy for you -- Truly.
I hope the best of everthing will come your way. Life is real and it is not aways easy, as you and I know.
DA
what i find bemusing is, if there are any disfellowshipped ones in your hall they have to sit at the back.
now without getting into the merits/rights/wrongs of whether this should be still acceptable, where do they sit in your hall?
you see i seem to remember that they would sit on the back row, come in quietly just after the song and prayer and leave at the end just as quick.
Flowerpetal, you said in you post under "Were do they set in the Kingdom Hall".
As far as these other stories of some congs not regarding df'd people as persons and not being allowed to contribute money to the hall, that is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard! I'm not arguing that it hasn't happened, but what are some of these elders, etc. thinking???
I believe you have a learning disabilty or reading handcap. But that's ok. There are millions of us who are in the same boat. It's how you or the one you have appointed to row you boat that counts.
Let me explain.
It is apparent that you did not read my post correctly, for whatever the reason.
Reason #1, I did not say that disfellowshiped people are not persons. Nor did I say the WBTS doesn't accept their monies.
I have probably been around this organization, WBTS, for longer then you have lived. Just my guess.
Let me tell you what I have seen since the debacle of 1975.
I have been in a grocery store, gas station, at parks, etc, etc, and have seen what is called active Jehovah's Witnesses talk to everybody and anything (dogs, squirrels, birds, etc.). But when a what is call a disfellowshiped person approaches the active Jehovah's Witness acts as though they are invisible.
My point is:
Point # 1. When these so-called disfellowshiped persons come to the kingdom hall they are treated as though they are invisible, not a person. I believe you should have grasp this point from all the other posters on this subject.
Point # 2. If these persons that are disfellowshiped are invisible or not a person, why is it that they are counted as one taking a seated space, as though they were a person . Why is it that the WBTS will accept their monies, even checks with their names on, if in fact they are invisible, not a person. In fact many of my fellow witnesses, and I hope you are not one of them, treat these disfellowshiped persons (if we can call them a person), worse then they treat a stray dog.
So while the letter of the law is one thing it's application is something quite different.
DA
in view of the thoughts for a day or so i believe, not being judgmental, these thoughts may apply.. for all of us:.
"healing touch".
apologizing is an esseniual skill that adults need to master by practicing over and over (so do jehovah's witnesses no matter what state in life he/she is to jehovah and jesus christ).
Battman,
I agree.
DA
