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  Should I call the local elders

  by joelbear in

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  witnesses always say if you have questions, you should discuss them with the local elders.. most of you have seen over the past few days, the 5 or 6 questions which led me to leave the witnesses and take up my hedonistic lifestyle.. should i call the elders and give them a chance to answer my questions?

  i've asked my father some of them, but it always turns into an argument and upsets my mother too much for me to really pursue the discussion as far as i would like.. just to reiterate.. my questions are:.

  1. is there a logical explanation of god's justice system for the universe, which includes all sentient creatures and how they are judged?.

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  Joelbear,

  I say, Rufus says, "Wait and See"

  I could not get the edit feature to work for me.

  Sorry,

  DA
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  Should I call the local elders

  by joelbear in

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  witnesses always say if you have questions, you should discuss them with the local elders.. most of you have seen over the past few days, the 5 or 6 questions which led me to leave the witnesses and take up my hedonistic lifestyle.. should i call the elders and give them a chance to answer my questions?

  i've asked my father some of them, but it always turns into an argument and upsets my mother too much for me to really pursue the discussion as far as i would like.. just to reiterate.. my questions are:.

  1. is there a logical explanation of god's justice system for the universe, which includes all sentient creatures and how they are judged?.

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  Joelbear Sir,

  Others have given you good thoughts to consider on this posting.

  But I perosnally would like to say, as a fellow human. Go on with you life, whatever that may be, and be at peace with yourself.

  Please forgive me if I seem frank, but from the postings I have seen of yours over the past year or so , your need to let life run its course in your relations with others and yourself. Joelbear, life is too short to be consern as to what other think or feel about you, and may I add ME.

  DA

  P.S. I would like to add one thought. Whether other agree or not. Jehovah and His son Jesus has done and will do nothing but good for the human family. Joelbear, I have a bird outside my green room that that the English say it says "Drink you tea". I say it says, "What and see". His name is Rufous-Sided Tohee. Like Rufous, I am and will wait and see what my FRIEND AND LOVER Jehovah God and His Son has in store for me. I can only speak for myself. What others what to do, including yourself is up to the other parties.
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  I GOT MY TOY AT LAST !

  by Simon in

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  ok, this will probably sound really stupid to most people but.... when i was little, i had a go of a toy called 'vertibird' in a shop near us.. it was brilliant!.

  this was the one toy i have always wanted.

  whenever i've been to toys-r-us with the kids i've always looked out for them but, alas, i've never found them.. until now !.

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  Mommy,

  Thanks for your very positive post to Simons'.

  It, in my option, bring out the better side of us humans beings.

  I believe your type of posting displays a higher standard of posting.

  Thanks again.

  DA
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  Armageddon Question

  by joelbear in

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  on one of the you know threads you know refuted the oft quipped line here that jehovah will destroy 99.9% of humans at armageddon.

  he said that in actuality the king of the north would be doing the destroying and that jehovah would be stopping it short before it annihilated all mankind.. this was news to me.. my understanding was.. 1. peace and security declared.

  2. false religion destroyed.

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  Joel,

  I am with you 100%. I personally have seen no change from what you spelled out for us in any of the WBTS articles. If it means anything I have been an active witness for more that 45 plus years.

  Thanks for bring this matter to the fore.

  Your friend.

  DA
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  Just my thoughts on Dunsscot

  by JT in

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  dun.

  welcome to this site- after thinking about it for awhile and reading through all 7 pages i have come to the conclusion that actually it is a good thing that you have chosen to use some pretty large words on these threads-.

  while i in noway understood half of what you have written-- i am impressed- i started thinking-- where would a person like this fit into wt world esp if you are a male.

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  JT,

  Enjoyed your thoughts.

  Dunscot's is OK.

  I would like to add that my wife and I went back to college at the old age of 40ish. Our major was phychology.

  We believe the better educated you are in all fields of choice the better a person we become.

  I say this because we are no longer in the forest(WBTS) but standing on the outside looking in. Yes we are active JW, but that does not mean we have blindfolders on. We let Jehovah and His Son handle the important issues of life. I believe they have a good view of what is going on. What they want to do with it is, well, none of my business.

  I have used this illustration many a times. In fact just yesterday at the Home Depot store. I would like to share it with you.

  We have two persons. One in a forest and one in a airplane overhead.

  The one in the airplane ask the person in the forest what does he see.

  The person in the forest says he is in a forest of pines.

  The person in the airplane remarks back, no you are in a forest of oak.

  The better view of the pilot sees the total picture. The person in the forest was correct from his viewpoint. All he could see were pine trees around him. However, the pine grove was just a small part of the total forest that the airplane pilot saw, which was oak.

  The more we educate ourselves the more we see the total picture like the pilot in the airplane.

  I do not care to labor the issue, but I believe about 50 percent of the elders (world wide) don't even have a high school degree. Know that make chills go up ones back.

  JT, my wife and I hope we never stop learning. We like the view from the airplane.

  DA
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  Do you legally join the WatchTower Society ?

  by Simon in

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  there has been some discussion in the past on whether people became legal members of the watchtower society or not when they got baptised and whether this was made clear to them.

  the wt argues that you are or are not a legal member as it suits them.. here is a thought.... on their website's privacy statement at http://www.watchtower.org/contact/privacy.htm (linked from the 'request contact' form) they say:.

  will the watchtower society disclose the information it collects to outside parties?.

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  Simon or someone who knows.

  Is there a DATA PROTECTION ACT SCHEDULES 7 AND 8 or something to this effect the USA?

  Thanks in advance.

  DA
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  Do you legally join the WatchTower Society ?

  by Simon in

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  there has been some discussion in the past on whether people became legal members of the watchtower society or not when they got baptised and whether this was made clear to them.

  the wt argues that you are or are not a legal member as it suits them.. here is a thought.... on their website's privacy statement at http://www.watchtower.org/contact/privacy.htm (linked from the 'request contact' form) they say:.

  will the watchtower society disclose the information it collects to outside parties?.

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  Simon,

  This might be of interest to you and others.

  I had a friend, who went through a very, very sticky disfellowshiping, who requested what information they had about himself. He was told by the elders that there was no information about him at the kingdom hall. What they said was true. I personally know that they gathered his information and sent it to Brooklyn Bethel.

  DA
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  GREETINGS

  by josephus in

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  its been a long time, but i am back for more chat.. hi to all who remember me from the old h20 (except youknow) is he here ?.

  im am still a nonattender.

  yeeeeh.. the evil elder who tried to remove me and my brother got removed himself !.

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  Francoise,

  Your words are of a proper description of these mind set persons like YK. Personally, I never read their post. Here or back on H20.

  While I am an active JW, I do not believe that they are a proper representation. But that is just my $0.02

  DA
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  The Tale of the Five Army Officers

  by waiting in

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  the tale of the five officers (2000) .

  when ms. k. was slowly raped and murdered by a common thug over the.

  course of 1 hour and 55 minutes, in plain sight of five fully-armed.

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  Patio34,

  In regard to your post to JanH when you said "What a twisted system!"

  If you are referring to the WBTS system of disfellowshiping == I agree.

  My hope is that one of these days they will get their reasoning in line with human life. They have in the past 20 years caused many spiritual rapes and stabbings by allowing their officers (elders) free rein to abuse.

  DA
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  WHY I FIRED MY SECRETARY

  by DevilsAdvocate_DA in

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  why i fired my secretary.

  two weeks ago, was my ___ birthday, and i wasnt feeling too hot that morning anyway.

  i went to breakfast, knowing my wife would be pleasant and say happy birthday and probably have a present for me.

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  WHY I FIRED MY SECRETARY

  Two weeks ago, was my ___ birthday, and I wasn’t feeling too hot that morning anyway. I went to breakfast, knowing my wife would be pleasant and say Happy Birthday and probably have a present for me. She didn’t even say Good Morning, let alone any Happy Birthday. I said, well, that’s wives for you. The children will remember. The children came to breakfast and didn’t say a word. When I started to the office I was feeling pretty low and despondent.

  As I walked into my office, my secretary, Janet said, “Good Morning, Boss, Happy Birthday.” And I felt a little better; someone had remembered.

  I worked until noon.

  About noon Janet knocked on my door and said, “You know it’s such a beautiful day outside and it’s your birthday, let’s go to lunch, just you and me.

  I said, “By George, that’s a greatest thing I’ve heard all day. Let’s go.”

  We went to lunch. We didn’t go where we normally go; we went out into the country to a little private place. We had two martinis and enjoyed lunch tremendously.

  On the way back to the office, she said, “You know, it’s such a beautiful day. We don’t need to go back to the office. Do we?” I said, “No, I guess not.” She said, “Let’s go to my apartment.”

  After arriving at her apartment, we had another martini and smoked a cigarette and she said, “Boss, if you don’t mind, I think I’ll go into the bedroom and slip into something more comfortable.” “Sure,” I excitedly replied.

  She went inot the bedroom and in about six minutes, she came out .... carrying a birthday cake followed by my wife and children. All were singing Happy Birthday.

  And there I sat with nothing on but my socks.

  A friend e-mail this to me just last week, knowing on the 10th of June would be my birthday.

  Hope you enjoyed the humor of it.

  DA

  P.S. Waiting, I hope you enjoyed the above. It’s getting a little sticky around here. I remember when you invited me over here from H20. It was light and lively HERE with just the few of us. Not condoning or condemning but it has become like the old H20, everybody is right in their own eyes, allowing no room for freedom of thought. Sounds a little bit like the WBTS with its governing board of know it alllllls.