Posts by headmath

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What is the big deal about 1914 anyway?

by grey matters in

what is the big deal with the wts about 1914 anyway?

it wasn't their date to begin with.

they got it from the millerites/second advendtists.

headmath

That is a good point Gary, that the great crowd(multitude) was identified IN 1935 with the big talk by rutherford. That crowd of 1935 is all dead now . So where is the great crowd?? Do we need yet another identification date or did rutherfords talk set up a perpetual identification so that any group of persons could qualify as the great crowd?

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A True Scholar In Our Midst, Leolaia

by Skoshi in

her posts for a very long time were overflowing with an obvious scholarship.

i have avidly read her posts and have tucked away as much as my much smaller brain could be forced to take in.

i'm sure others have openly expressed their admiration and appreciation for her, but i would like to do so here.

headmath

I wanted to know more about the phrase "millions now living will never die" and how the WTS changed the meaning of that phrase over the years. Well here is Leo's reply

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/11/114538/2004838/post.ashx#2004838

as can be seen, this is not simply cut and paste, but shows some true originality and depth of understanding.

This is just an example as other members of JWD are skilled in this art as well.

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What is the big deal about 1914 anyway?

by grey matters in

what is the big deal with the wts about 1914 anyway?

it wasn't their date to begin with.

they got it from the millerites/second advendtists.

headmath

The following quote is from http://www.tektonics.org/guest/500cares.html

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Did you know that the Watchtower’s first two presidents, Charles Taze Russell and Judge Rutherford, who were alive in 1914 never taught that Jesus returned in 1914. Did you know that Russell taught Jesus returned in 1874 and that Rutherford taught the same up until 1929 when he changed the second coming to 1914. Why did they not have these “eyes of understanding”? Did the disciples in Acts 1:11 recognize that Jesus was ascending to heaven on that day or did they figure it out 16 years later? Why did the Watchtower leaders teach for over 50 years of their history what they now consider to be a false date (1874) for Christ’s return?

How come all the Jehovah’s Witnesses leaders who were supposed to have “eyes of understanding” in 1914 not see Jesus return in 1914 but insisted he returned in 1874?

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and another quote from the same site

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First Watchtower president and founder Charles Taze Russell taught that the door in heaven to be part of the “anointed” Class closed in 1881. Second president Judge Rutherford said that 1935 marked the last chance to be part of the “anointed” class, and everyone who becomes a JW after 1935 was part of the “great crowd”. Who was right? Russell? Rutherford? Or neither? Where in the Bible does it say the door to heaven closed in 1935??

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So we see that Jesus return in 1914 is a total lie Further the date of 1935 is a total lie, that is , the door to heaven was NOT closed in 1935. Only moron brainwashed JWs believe the door was closed in 1935

So the 2 main WTS dates 191 4 and 1935 are total lies.

There are some 6 million brain dead JW that believe these two dates were given by jehoover through the governing body or FDS (same thing) and will avoid making jehoover mad by shunning family members that don't go along with the lie.

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Didn't JW's do the "updating" thing with the Babylon book like the Rev book

by booker-t in

maybe some of the oldtimers might remember, but i seem to remember in the early 1980's that the wts "updated" the babylon the great book where many of the old light was thrown out.

i was a teenager but i remember studying the book again in the 80's and some jw's were upset by the changes.

if they do the same thing with the revelation grand climax book aren't they afraid that those oldtimers might get disgusted and leave the org?

headmath

I remember studying the Babylon the great has fallen-away book twice!. I heard that the material was not studied properly the first time and that some elders received some counseling from the GB on how to study this book effectively.. All in all, the babylon book was tough material to go through It managed to utterly brainwash just about every JW about the dates 1914,1918,1919,1925,1931,1935 etc. There was simply no room to question such dates at the book study. Anyone who disputed the dates were instantly D'Fd. The babylon book was on the watchtower CD but it is not there now (me thinks) I guess the WTS has down-graded the babylon book to the old literature category.

Let see, two years to study the babylon book every tuesday which eats up 3 hours of time per week.. 52 weeks in a year gives 104 weeks for a 2 year period, times 3 = 312 hours of completely wasted time and brain rot. At the very least, the babylon book will be a testimony for all time to prove that the WTS are liars.

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History Channel

by Sasha in

any one out there watch sunday night's exodus?

2 hours chock full about proof of the exodus.

excellent!

headmath

Man oh man those chariot wheels and axles. I suppose that they had a Napa autoparts back then huh??

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Intelligent Design

by M*A*S*H in

hello chaps .

i've been away... but now i'm back to 'troll the place up'.

a long time ago my brother and i had a little gentlemen's bet.

headmath

We all come from dinosaur eggs. I saw some 365 million year old dino eggs on the weekend and it brought back memories.

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Sorcery is a Viable Pioneer Recruiting Technique

by KennyC in

"good sense stress", was the description of an elder for a circuit overseer's undue emphasis on the words "the children are helping mommy and daddy to...pioneer.... yes".

he said this during a talk of his in the early 1990's.

upon going to a pioneer meeting on that saturday and seeing him first hand using his hands in a circular motion around a pioneers face who was sitting too close in front of him, he stated "did you ever notice that little glow they have?

headmath

I like kingkongregation too. How about the godzillas?

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Kingdom Hall burns...

by lisavegas420 in

someone broke in...evidence points to arson.

contents inside of building was set on fire.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1axt17r6sem.

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Not suprising . CT russell spoke quite a bit against the churches of his day. so did rutherford. I'd say let them make the announcment and may jehoover smash the WTS into tiny bits in his mercy.

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Are the "Last Days" an Absurdity? (8/15 WT)

by metatron in

how could anyone know objectively if they live in the "last days", if they fail to examine history?

how would anyone know if things were .

actually worse?

headmath

If the watchtower said the world ended yesterday I'd believe it