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Posts by fokyc
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12Don't Forget Wikileaks!
by metatron inin the midst of all this talk about copyright law and a cult's right to keep its 'secret' book off the internet, let's not forget wikileaks!.
they had the old elder's book, last i looked.. metatron.
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"Fault finding attitude"
by sabastious inthis term is always used in articles about apostasy.. it find it wholly ironic that the wt accuses anyone of having a fault finding attitude.. you ever have someone accuse you to your face of a trait that is blatantly their own?
this would be a case of that.. the wt does almost nothing but bring up faults inside their organization and out.
they never miss an opportunity to find fault in the witnesses daily lives as well as slander any outside organization they can even in menial ways.. -sab.
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fokyc
In a letter from the cong elders to the branch:
"Brother fokyc reads ALL the Societies literature; but only to find fault".
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fokyc
YES; back in the 50's and 60's it was very nice, I did everything I was expected to,
I was going to have everlasting life in a beautiful new world, wasn't I?
But after 1975 things and people changed and it's got worse since.
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DMCA Complaint from The WatchTower for links to KS-10 'Shepherding' book
by Simon inyes, that's right, they really do not like people being able to read that book so they wanted links to it removed (it appears they have also been going after the hosts of the content itself as well).. unfortunately, i had to removed the links (which were dead anyway when i checked) and i'd ask that people don't re-post them (sorry).
i'm sure there are lots of alternative ways for those with the information to get it to those who need it.. here are the discussions on the book:.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/200524/1/ks10-chapter-one-discussion.
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fokyc
djeggnog says: This textbook is not a secret manual, for while only elders have received copies of it, ministerial servants are permitted to read it, although copies of it have been provided to just the elders.
I must disagree; ONLY Elders are allowed a copy and only Elders are allowed access to it.
As no income can be or will ever be derived from this book, litigation would have little benefit.
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DMCA Complaint from The WatchTower for links to KS-10 'Shepherding' book
by Simon inyes, that's right, they really do not like people being able to read that book so they wanted links to it removed (it appears they have also been going after the hosts of the content itself as well).. unfortunately, i had to removed the links (which were dead anyway when i checked) and i'd ask that people don't re-post them (sorry).
i'm sure there are lots of alternative ways for those with the information to get it to those who need it.. here are the discussions on the book:.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/200524/1/ks10-chapter-one-discussion.
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fokyc
It has just 12 chapters, those requesting PM's have them.
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DMCA Complaint from The WatchTower for links to KS-10 'Shepherding' book
by Simon inyes, that's right, they really do not like people being able to read that book so they wanted links to it removed (it appears they have also been going after the hosts of the content itself as well).. unfortunately, i had to removed the links (which were dead anyway when i checked) and i'd ask that people don't re-post them (sorry).
i'm sure there are lots of alternative ways for those with the information to get it to those who need it.. here are the discussions on the book:.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/200524/1/ks10-chapter-one-discussion.
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fokyc
sd-7 said "The elder's manual you refer to will soon be back in our hands."
This elder's manual seems to be in everybodies hands now, how exactly do you propose getting it back? it is like trying to close Pandora's Box.
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Remind me- how do they explain.....elder book
by carla incan someone please remind me how they explain the need for a secret elders book to the r & f?
my jw has given numerous convoluted reasons over the years and i have forgotten the official reasoning.
on one hand they claim no clergy class, we are all the same, blah, blah, yet they have only one book the r & f (particularly women) cannot see.
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fokyc
1. Jehovah has entrusted elders with the responsibility
to care for his precious sheep that he purchased
with the blood of his Son. (Acts 20:28) This
is a serious responsibility, but through holy spirit,
elders can properly care for the sheep. Not only
has Jehovah provided his own example as the Supreme
Overseer but he has also sent to the earth his
own Son, "the fine shepherd," to leave "a model"
for us. (John 10:11; 1 Pet. 2:21, 25) God's written
Word is "beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for
setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness."
(2 Tim. 3: 16) In addition, he gives timely direction
through "the faithful and discreet slave." (Matt.
24:45) This publication has been prepared to help elders
to "shepherd the flock of God." -1 Pet. 5:2. 2. "Shepherd the Flock of God"
has been designedas a handbook for elders to supply vital information
that will help them care for congregation matters.
...Because of efforts to simplify this publication,
it does not cover every aspect of our work as eIders.
At times you may need to consult other publications
and letters to the body of elders for detailed
information. Be alert to future direction and adjustments
so as to stay up-to-date on theocratic direction.
3. As an elder, your ultimate objective is to imitate
the Supreme Overseer, Jehovah, and his Son in the
way you treat the sheep. (Eph. 5:1) Jehovah sets the
example for overseers as a God of love and as the perfect
Judge in that he is just at all times and in all of
his ways.
Their words, not mine!
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Why is ok to copy the FLOCK book and not CoC?
by cyberjesus inok so both books are copyrighted, bottleofwater just asked to get a copy of coc a book that would save his life.
however when he asked for a copy he got replies that called him a thieve and many other things.
however when copying the new flock book many here copy the book and pass it along and not many say the same thing..... so i wonder what do you think?
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fokyc
"This publication is not for sale. It is provided as part of a worldwide
Bible educational work supported by voluntary donations."
I for one firmly believe that we are entitled to a copy of this book. This is a charitable organisation to which most of us have subscribed. This book is as important to members of the congregations as all the other books, Bible and other study books.
As it was not for sale, there is NO financial loss, any claim in courts would not be about money and would be seen as vexatious litigation.
The way the WTBTS have gone about this book has been stupid to say the least, they have lost face. This is like Pandora's box and there is no return.
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Is there anything new in the elder's manual?
by Mickey mouse init doesn't seem like it.
why bother reprinting?.
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fokyc
They had to reprint it;
there wasn't anymore space in the 1991 edition for elders to write notes in!
Now they even have a few blank pages as well as the margins.
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Even when you think you're out, you're not...
by undercover insometimes we debate about which is better - to fade...or to da/get dfd.. there are pros and cons to each method.
faders like to say that they're not playing by the rules and can still associate with family.
daers say that they are totally free and can speak their mind and celebrate their holidays as they see fit with absolutely no retributinos.. i see the advantages of both sides and understand why one chooses one path over another.
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fokyc
That is very strange;
Some time ago I applied under the Data Protection Legislation in the UK for ALL mention of me in the Cong records. They sent me copies of letters to and from the branch BUT NO copy of my record card, they claimed they had not got one.
But oddly in ALL the correspondance they refer to me as Brother fokyc!
I am mystified by their rules etc. Am I in or am I out?