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R U DFshipped?

by DFshipped in

i am a dfshipped person who is working towards reinstatement.. i would like to meet anyone else who also would like to return.. i really would prefer not to meet people who want to criticize my desire to return.

i would like to enjoy and offer encouragemnt to others like me.

DFshipped

Answer to a good question.

Jehovah is the Judge. Judge makes the decision to forgive or not.
So WHY the Elders? Good question.
Their function is to read ( as best they can ) and like those in apostolic times they interpret to the best of their ability the signs or lack there of, of repentance and then make the decision.
Do we pray to or ask the Elders for forgiveness? NO !!!!!!!!
WE ask Jehovah. The Elders have the function of administering discipline as outlined by the WGTS. This they do in their judicial decisions.
Does a worldly judge make mistakes ? Yes. Does it result in imprisonment ? yes. It his persn still innocent even tho the judge erred ? Yes. Is he left in prison ? Yes.
Why do make this such a difficult subject?
If one is unfairly judged by the Elders.......feel proud to be associated with those judged by erring judges in ancient times. Can you fix it ? Ya bet ya !!!!. Prove by your works what you are and be reinstated. Hebrews 12 says " do not belittle the disciplne ..NOR GIVE OUT..... those who accept it yield peacable fruit. I dont think I would commit that dastardly deed again.

Somebody I hope this claifies things for you.

Amicus Latte and Mommy thanks for your kind words.

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Questions for DFShipped...

by LDH in

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friends

hi, dfs.. first of all, let me say it is not necessary to label yourself on this board, or anywhere on the internet for that matter.. so many of us have family members that are df'd, it really doesn't hold much water round here.

i did have some questions for you though, which of course you don't have to answer.. 1. why were you disfellowshipped?

(pls.

DFshipped

Hear Hear
Claudia shares my sentiments exactly ....Thank you

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R U DFshipped?

by DFshipped in

i am a dfshipped person who is working towards reinstatement.. i would like to meet anyone else who also would like to return.. i really would prefer not to meet people who want to criticize my desire to return.

i would like to enjoy and offer encouragemnt to others like me.

DFshipped

Sabrina
Thanks for your kind comments.
I can see why the warmth of the loving organization didnt work for you.
Guess what ? Fortunately your belief has no bearing on either the truth my feelings. I notice that leaving the organization has imbued you with the ability to read my motives, a useful tool indeed. You call it a flippin religeon, the policy of this db seems to allude you... time for you to move on to Intolerance-and-insulting.net.

Latte Thanks too for your comments, no matter how they disagree with my sentiments, they sound genuine and reasonable.
I hope all the best to you too.
PS do not disagree with Sabrina, it is apparently un acceptable.
PS dont disagree with

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Questions for DFShipped...

by LDH in

jw
friends

hi, dfs.. first of all, let me say it is not necessary to label yourself on this board, or anywhere on the internet for that matter.. so many of us have family members that are df'd, it really doesn't hold much water round here.

i did have some questions for you though, which of course you don't have to answer.. 1. why were you disfellowshipped?

(pls.

DFshipped

LDH
Lets bring this discussion to an end.
If you read the WT again you will get the full picture.
Finally ask yourself this very important question :
How much voting do think takes place or is allowed in a ONE PARTY STATE ????
Malawi was a one party state !! Buying a card was not a vote but an acknowledgement of Party membership and support.
If you would really like some complete info on what happened there let me know.
Path
I will be happy to talk some more with you soon.

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Am I welcome here?

by WanderingStar in

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i am currently df'd but seriously considering returning to the meetings with a view to reinstatement.

i am looking for honest, open minded discussion.

if i offend you all by being here, please let me know and i wont come back again.. thanks for reading this!

DFshipped

Good Point Path..I like your approach.
Watch for my next Thread and I will try to do as you say.
Feel free to respnd and lets see how it goes.
I wouldnt mind and email discussion with either.
Sorry time is tight right now but tomorow I will start a new thread, visit me there and lets talk turkey

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Am I welcome here?

by WanderingStar in

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friends

i am currently df'd but seriously considering returning to the meetings with a view to reinstatement.

i am looking for honest, open minded discussion.

if i offend you all by being here, please let me know and i wont come back again.. thanks for reading this!

DFshipped

WonderingStar
You will find no one here who will not welcome you to discuss your views.
I have found the people here to be very tolerant and open to different views.
With one exception to the rule.
Supporting the WBTS ( even if you sincerely believe it ) is not allowed , that is viewed as abuse of free thinking and speech.
Do that and you will be ridiculed and questioned.
I look forward to an email from you.

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Questions for DFShipped...

by LDH in

jw
friends

hi, dfs.. first of all, let me say it is not necessary to label yourself on this board, or anywhere on the internet for that matter.. so many of us have family members that are df'd, it really doesn't hold much water round here.

i did have some questions for you though, which of course you don't have to answer.. 1. why were you disfellowshipped?

(pls.

DFshipped

Thanks for the reply
LDH started this thread by saying I do not need to label myself.
Should yo ulabel me a company man ? mmm
You ask why I come here? I come here to express my thoughts feelings and opinions. .........LIKE YOU AND MOST OTHERS HERE.
I didnt realize that the only views that would be accepted here without criticism was those that opposed the WBTS.
The hypocrisy that so many here blame those in the organization for, appears resident here more than ever.
This board is hailed as a wonderful place for open minded tolerant people who enjoy open discussion.
Am I not allowed to be impressed with the WBTS ?
Am not allowed to freely express my deep love for the Organization?
I'm sorry I thought this was a place to express and defend my opinions. Yet I get attacked by most ( not all ) when I defend my point of view.
I'm afraid this board has adopted a policy of : You can say what you like as ling it doesnt support the WBTS . If one does that it is an abuse of free tolerant speech that we so loudly advertise.
It seems to me the more different you want to be the more you are the same.
I came here to express my views. You all do the same.
You criticize the WBTS and feel you have the right to do it.
I support the WBTS and you label me a company man, and accuse me of wanting to convert apostates.
Me thinks there are double standards among some here !!!

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Questions for DFShipped...

by LDH in

jw
friends

hi, dfs.. first of all, let me say it is not necessary to label yourself on this board, or anywhere on the internet for that matter.. so many of us have family members that are df'd, it really doesn't hold much water round here.

i did have some questions for you though, which of course you don't have to answer.. 1. why were you disfellowshipped?

(pls.

DFshipped

LDH
Not so fast girl.
I asked you to show me a quote from the WBTS condoning or supporting the act of voting. ( presumably in a political sense as you mentioned Malawi )
You implied that the wbts has changed their view point.
Im not sure why you quoted the wt 99 qfr. It sort of contradicts what you had said.
Did you notice that it quoted and re-iterated the comments from the 1950 WT. It was partly due to that very 1950 WT that the Malawian brothers made there decisions.
But let me shed mpre light on what happened in Malawi. Were the witnesses persecuted there for not voting ? NO.
They were persecuted for not buying and carrying a political Party card identifying themselves as memebers of the one and only political party of the country. What a fine example of neutrality. And the 99 wt does not in anyway condone political voting, it re-emphasizes and re-iterates and repeats its direction which is now more than 50 years old. It is a matter of conscience. Anyone ( JW or other ) who considers themselves neutral would not take sides in the political arena. It would be a contradiction in terms.
I was in SA during the 1st democratic election in that counrty. Many of our bro's and sis's were forcibly taken to the voting polls and they did exactly as described in the 99wt. They went inside and ignored or dmaged the ballot. ( some may have voted and as the wt said it is between them and their creator.

When I left school at age 17 I was drafted into the military. The WT had shown that it was important to remain neutral in support of the scriptures. I refused military service and was jailed for 15 months.
I am not slightly sorry. My conscience dicated and I obeyed.

Let me say without fear of contradiction : Visit Malawi now and by the far the vast majority of the Witnesses persecuted in Malawi and Mozambique and their families are happy to have been imprisoned for the truth as Jesus had predicted. And the survivin gfamily of those killed rejoice in th eknowledge that Jehovah will resurected obedient servants.
So LDH I think you may have missed the message in the 99WT
Instead of eating my hat,
I TAKE MY HAT OFF TO THE WONDERFUL 50 YEAR ( AT LEAST ) RECORD OF CONSISTENCY OF TEACHING EXPRESSED BY THE WBTS.

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R U DFshipped?

by DFshipped in

i am a dfshipped person who is working towards reinstatement.. i would like to meet anyone else who also would like to return.. i really would prefer not to meet people who want to criticize my desire to return.

i would like to enjoy and offer encouragemnt to others like me.

DFshipped

Aw man I didnt mean to get under anyones skin. Ive had two lovely email from people who are supportive of my desire an dfeel the same way. Tha is why I posted here. But let me address some of the comments from you guys.
I appreciate your concern.
Firstly let me say that when I first came here I asked what the purpose of this DB is. and was told it is a PUBLIC forum in which people can come and air their views.
Waiting
I id'd myself as df'd to avoid what you accuse me of. Talking to witnesses. If you are still "technically" part of the organizaion and choose to communicate with me I have no control over that. No where did I invite active witnesses to associate with me.
Amicus and Larc
If I misread you I am sorry.
As I said in another post, and here , I am supportive of the WBTS and of the decision to DF me. I know what I need to do to get back, and I am doing it. I never-theless would enjoy communicating with like minded people. Two of whom I have met on this db.
So I appreciate there is nothing anyone can do to help me at this point but talking to like minded people is encouraging.
You see I have been imprisoned at 17 , beaten up by a priest when I was a 13 yr old kid, and enjoyed bundles of privledges in serving as an Elder, convention and asembly speaker and auxilieary pioneer.
I love the WBTS I love the brotherhood and the truth as expounded by the organization. I love the humility I have seen face to face with "senior" members of the society. I abhor the hypocisy that some individuals display in the name of the truth and how it has hurt genuine truth seekers. I abhor how some have been stumbled by responsible ones entrustd to care for the flock. It hurt me when as an Elder, some fellow Elders disregarded the feelings of widows and orphans and lowly ones.
I have done much soul searching and much research.
Believe me you do not sit in a prison cell for 15 months and not question why you are doing it.
So I respect your decisions, I respect your choices. Please respect mine and let me express them here. This db is hailed as a place to do that.
And I ask you as you have asked me......reconsider your decisions.
The actions of hypocrits and other nasties associated with the organization should not take away the joy open to us all. I think of the apostles words to Jesus " Lord where would we go?"
Take care y'all ( you see Im even talking like a floridian now..y'all)

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Questions for DFShipped...

by LDH in

jw
friends

hi, dfs.. first of all, let me say it is not necessary to label yourself on this board, or anywhere on the internet for that matter.. so many of us have family members that are df'd, it really doesn't hold much water round here.

i did have some questions for you though, which of course you don't have to answer.. 1. why were you disfellowshipped?

(pls.

DFshipped

Hi Thinker
Thanks for the reply and question.
Two people standing side by side each have long hair. Who is the woman? The thing to do if you are not sure is to list all the identifying marks by which to measure what a woman is. The one with the overwhelming number of "woman" features is most likely the woman.
Long hair alone does not make the man a woman.
So put all religeons side by side ...take the bibles measure of the true religeon. One carries 99% of them the rest carry hardly any and in fact carry more signs of being false than of being true. This will identify without doubt the true organization.

Happy
I'm happy you replied. hey I'm always happy to be noticed....doesnt happen often LOL
To answer your question : Yes. Miriam spoke out against Jehovahs imperfect, sometimes weka leadership and she was forcibly shunned by being struck with Leprosy and sent outside the camp. Jehovah led the way in showing that "shunning" is sometimes his way of discipline.

LDH
I am truly stunned. And I am not being facetious. Since when are we or anyone else able to vote with a clean conscience ?? If you can quote one published comment by the wtbs condoning this I will..um I will eat my hat.
My father was used by the society to smuggle literature to the bro's in Mozambique when the work was banned, so I have 1st hand experience in seeingt what those brothers lived through. As a kid I used to accompany him on those very exciting adventures accross the border.
No wonder I grew up to be a scoundrel.
( PS I also ended up in prison for the truth , but not for smuggling )