They are certainly not E-nlightening.
Anything that defends a twisted and deceitful entity is tremendously harmful, and since it is harmful and deceitful, I suppose one might view it as wicked. If one of my family died from not receiving a blood transfusion based on a lie by a corporation, I would call anything that defended that corporation twisted and evil.
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E-Watchman/E-Jehovahs Witnesses
by Core88 inso here is my question for anyone and everyone, do you all think that those two sites are e as in e-vil?
to me it seems that they are thanks.
corey
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Getting rid of books, bound volumes, etc.
by ShareyTee ini've been inactive for about 10 years now, and its time for me to get rid of some of my wt stuff, but what do i do with it all???
i have all the wt stuff on a bookshelf in a spare bedroom, but now i need this shelf space.
what i most want to get rid of first are the wt & awake bound volumes.
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I don't think you should burn them, it's not like if you don't burn them you're going door to door and entice people to the WT.
Especially the books from the 50's,,,somebody just posted somequotes that I had never seen from a book ofthat decade..
where would we be if the books that are needed as source material to quote and prove was printed by the WT, got burned????
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WERE TONAL LANGUAGES ONLY SPOKEN JUST ATER BABEL?
by badboy inpeople who speak non-tonal languages are more likely to have a more recently evolve form of the genes aspm and microcephalin.. this raises an interesting idea.. possibly no non-tonal languages were spoken at the time of the towers of babel.. how would a jw explain?.
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Ok, I'm not arguing that the tower of Babel in the bible was a true story, but these quotes are a little misleading IMHO
Nabopolassar Inscription , KIB iii. 2.5 : "Marduk commanded me to lay its foundations firm in the breast of the underworld, and make its top equal to heaven ".
smellsgood: Well, I do believe that most of the Babylonian history recorded on the inscriptions is about buildings. Building this, building that. Also, the date (in the 600 B.C.) would be MUCH too late for a lifting of it to be put in Genesis!
Enuma Elish VI 60-62 : " Let its [E-sagila's] brickwork be fashioned ...The Annunaki applied the implement; for one whole year they moulded bricks. When the second year arrived, they raised high the head of Esagila toward the heavens [Apsu]."
smellsgood: the Enuma does in some peoples opinion predate Genesis...so there's that at least.... This passage does not have much resemblance at all to the tale in Genesis, and the generic Genesis quote, everyone talked about bricks in the old writings, in so many instances, so it is disingenuous to compare a mention of bricks in two separate tale to a lifting of a myth
NOW, Enuma Elish V1,,, in a complete way that isn't cherrypicked
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"Let us build a shrine whose name shall be called
‘Lo, a chamber for our nightly rest’; let us repose in it!
Let us build a throne, a recess for his abode!
On the day that we arrive we shall repose in it."
When Marduk heard this,
Brightly glowed his features, like the day:
"Construct Babylon, whose building you have requested,
Let its brickwork be fashioned. You shall name it `The Sanctuary.'"
The Anunnaki applied the implement;
what was quoted by Leolaia 60 For one whole year they molded bricks.
When the second year arrived,
They raised high the head of Esagila equaling Apsu.<<<<62
Having built a stage-tower as high as Apsu,
They set up in it an abode for Marduk, Enlil, and Ea
In their presence he was seated in grandeur.
To the base of Esharra its horns look down.
After they had achieved the building of Esagila,
All the Anunnaki erected their shrines.
The three hundred Igigi . . . . . . all of them gathered,
The lord being on the lofty dais which they had built as his abode"
Genesis 11:3-4 : " Let us make bricks and bake them in a fire....Let us build ourselves ... a tower with its top reaching heaven ".
Leolaia: And on the confusion of languages in a story that has nothing at all to do with a tower:
Tale of Enmerkar : "When there was no snake and when there was no scorpion, there was no fear, no terror....In those days the land of Martu, resting in security, the whole universe , the people in unison spoke in unison to Enlil in one tongue . Enki, the Lord of wisdom, ... changed the speech in their mouths, [brought] contention into it . Into the speech of man that [until then] had been one."
smellsgood: Now this is just a complete misrepresentation of that passage in the 'Tale of Enmekar',,, none of it is actually talking about a confounding of languages at all. It's actually the REVERSE. It's talking about the already MANY TONGUED people addressing Enlil together in a single language!! Yeah! I don't see any mention of an [until then] clearly, whoever added that was trying to make this story into something it was not. Where did you get the bracketed inferences from? They are not accurrate! As one can readily see with the unedited version:
"Chant to him the holy song, the incantation sung in its chambers -- the incantation of Nudimmud: "On that day when there is no snake, when there is no scorpion, when there is no hyena, when there is no lion, when there is neither dog nor wolf, when there is thus neither fear nor trembling, man has no rival! At such a time, may the lands of Cubur and Hamazi, the many-tongued, and Sumer, the great mountain of the me of magnificence, and Akkad, the land possessing all that is befitting, and the Martu land, resting in security -- the whole universe, the well-guarded people -- may they all address Enlil together in a single language! For at that time, for the ambitious lords, for the ambitious princes, for the ambitious kings, Enki, for the ambitious lords, for the ambitious princes, for the ambitious kings, for the ambitious lords, for the ambitious princes, for the ambitious kings -- Enki, the lord of abundance and of steadfast decisions, the wise and knowing lord of the Land, the expert of the gods, chosen for wisdom, the lord of Eridug, shall change the speech in their mouths, as many as he had placed there, and so the speech of mankind is truly one." "
Genesis 11:1 , 9 : "Now the whole world had one language and one speech .... Yahweh confused the language of the whole world .
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Why the Watchtower is NOT Christian
by smellsgood inwatchtower, feb. 15, 1983, p. 12. .
" john 6:40 watchtower style .
the watchtower; "12/1/1981, p. 27. .
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I would add that your post Gumby confirms why I was reluctant to post in the first place, that I would be seen as preaching rather than trying to distinguish.
I don't want to be labeled, or regarded as anything other than a poster. I hate labels, and I hate the way that people get pigeonholed and marginalized due to labels. I don't want to be put in a box and when anyone sees my posts think of a label they've attached to me rather than what I'm trying to post. Too much negativity in labeling a person. So again, that is why I was hesitant to post, that I would automatically been seen as a Christian bent on preaching. That's not my desire at all.
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Why the Watchtower is NOT Christian
by smellsgood inwatchtower, feb. 15, 1983, p. 12. .
" john 6:40 watchtower style .
the watchtower; "12/1/1981, p. 27. .
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So tell me smellsgood. Will Jesus destroy the Jehovah's Witnesses when he knows they worship him the way they do because they THINK they are doing it right? Will he kill all who are misled? Even the Muslims? They think your the one who's gonna die ya know....and they believe as strongly as you do? Your not gonna tell me your not the judge are ya now cuz I'm almost positive you believe the witnesses are goin down....regardless of how sincere they are.
smellsgood: Gumby, I've never claimed to be a Christian, nor am I an active practitioner. What I do understand is the message of the Watchtower, as well as I am able, and the message of Christianity, as well as I am able. Just like I can intellectually distinguish the difference between say, a tree and a Polar bear, so I believe I can INTELLECTUALLY distinguish the differing messages in Watchtower and Christian theology. It is a scholarly pursuit, which leads to your next question. I never said I was a believer. I am using the New Testament and the Watchtowers words because I as an observer and apart from these two can very clearly see the differences. :)
Btw.....what's in this for you? Are you preaching to us so as to gain the Lords approval?
smellsgood: I was afraid it may appear as if I was preaching, although that wasn't my intent whatsoever. The purpose of me using the Christian words and Jesus words were merely the best way I could think of to show what I believe is a marked difference. I don't claim any religion, and am not preaching, or trying to win anybody over to ANY religion. I am identifying distinguishing characteristics of Christianity, and the Watchtower. You see, when I started out learning about the WT, I also read books that juxtaposed this right next to other cults in the vein of Christianity. In order to understand the way these cults worked, and how they distinguished from "traditional" orthodox if you will, Christianity, I had need of having a good idea of what traditional Christianity taught. To contrast and compare. This is one of the ways that cults always contrast and compare with Christianity.
If you keep silent, will the Lord kill you for keeping quiet? He can't do that, your saved by grace and not by works......can he?
smellsgood: This doesn't apply because I'm not preaching Christianity, nor is it my intent, I am contrasting and comparing the Christ in Christianity with the unsaving (this word is necessary not as my belief, but for comparisons sake) Christ in WTism.
Hey, if I smoke weed....will the Lord kill me when he comes? What if I live with a girl I'm not married to but I believe in Jesus and love him? What if I get drunk like twice a month....but I love Jesus?
smellsgood: ummmm. eh? *shrugs*
Please understand it is necessary to use biblical language in reference to Jesus, in order to show what the NT teaches, what a nominal Christian believes. That's what I was doing.
Gumby.....who needs to just be calm and take his prozac and to quit playin around
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Why the Watchtower is NOT Christian
by smellsgood inwatchtower, feb. 15, 1983, p. 12. .
" john 6:40 watchtower style .
the watchtower; "12/1/1981, p. 27. .
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This is news? A better question might be, who cares?
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Why the Watchtower is NOT Christian
by smellsgood inwatchtower, feb. 15, 1983, p. 12. .
" john 6:40 watchtower style .
the watchtower; "12/1/1981, p. 27. .
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"Why do you question the almighty Faithless Slavers?"
because I guess its where I get my jollies! That and stealing candy from toddlers. You see, I persecute the young and defenseless.
"As a loyal idolizer of the Watchtower Society on another board told me, "How does it feel to know that Jehovah is going to destroy you for slandering him." when I said the Watchtower is a False Prophet."
Jehovah=Watchtower? They have the discernment of a flea. If I were to ask them what the difference between donuts and the Russian mafia, they'd probably struggle for awhile and then smugly say "salad dressing" and puntuate it with a "what does she think,,,I'm stupid" knowing laugh. -
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Why the Watchtower is NOT Christian
by smellsgood inwatchtower, feb. 15, 1983, p. 12. .
" john 6:40 watchtower style .
the watchtower; "12/1/1981, p. 27. .
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"You can't be serious! And just how in the hell am I supposed to get my time in if that's all I have to say at the doors?"
LOL! I dunno, you could do a juggling bit, make armpit farts, bring your own barbecue and have a smokeout? You could just paste a frozen smile on your face stand there and say nothing for two hours!
"So yer tellin me that all I gotta do is get all dressed up on saterday mornings, take just a bible with me, and show people that scripture? I don't need any books or magazines and I don't need to meet for service to go over my presentation with the others either? What if I go to a door and show someone that scripture and they say....I already know that......then what?"
Gumby, you don't even have to get dressed....at all! You may choose to take along 'Horton hears a Who' or 'Give a mouse a cookie' and solemnly discuss all their important spiritual lessons. *nod nod* "yes, yes, a true Christian wouldn't give a mouse a cookie in the first place...what with the pagan origins of such a ritual" and then shudder and hold a handkerchief up to your nose.
"Gumby.....who wishes you woulda told me this little tidbit about 40 years ago and saved me a whole lotta time and gas money"
The Watchtower is gooood for OPEC!! I apologize I wasn't there Gumby!! I wasn't even a zygote at that ancient time though!!
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I JUST BOUGHT A BEAUTIFUL BRAND NEW ROLLS ROYCE!!!!!!!!!
by Warlock ini bet that's what the owner of the brand new rolls royce i saw on the way to work, told all of his friends.. as for me, i'm stuck with my honda for a while.
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hopefully, someday, i'll really be able to say "i just bought a beautiful brand new rolls royce".. have a great weekend.. warlock .
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I was thinking of buying a coconut scented air freshener for my '89 BUICK REGAL CUSTOM! That's right, '89 Buick Regal Custom. Jealous?
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Why the Watchtower is NOT Christian
by smellsgood inwatchtower, feb. 15, 1983, p. 12. .
" john 6:40 watchtower style .
the watchtower; "12/1/1981, p. 27. .
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LOL! Outlaw...you're just freakin hilarious! Dare I say..adorably so??
I hear that his sushi is just divine ;)