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  For Darcy, what do you think is necessary for salvation?

  by TheListener in

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  i know it was a rather long and drawn out title but i couldnt' think of another way to word it.

  this is especially for the new poster darcy.

  i was wondering what you felt was necessary to receive everlasting life, whether on heaven or paradise earth?

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  darcy

  I'd say, you got a computer?
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  For Darcy, what do you think is necessary for salvation?

  by TheListener in

  1. jw
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  i know it was a rather long and drawn out title but i couldnt' think of another way to word it.

  this is especially for the new poster darcy.

  i was wondering what you felt was necessary to receive everlasting life, whether on heaven or paradise earth?

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  ooh, this is interesting.

  Well, smart way... hmm. I imagine I might first ask my subject about how it is We, as Witnesses feel about the UN. Get them to thoroughly explain it, then, if it seems appropriate, that they might look at the papers, show them. Ask again, so what about this? Is this ok too? And just go from there.

  http://www.un.org/dpi/ngosection/pdfs/watchtower.pdf

  most of it's in the timing. timing and language are very important
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  For Darcy, what do you think is necessary for salvation?

  by TheListener in

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  i know it was a rather long and drawn out title but i couldnt' think of another way to word it.

  this is especially for the new poster darcy.

  i was wondering what you felt was necessary to receive everlasting life, whether on heaven or paradise earth?

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  darcy

  There are dumb ways to do things, and smart ways. Announcing something like that in a talk would be dumb.
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  For Darcy, what do you think is necessary for salvation?

  by TheListener in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i know it was a rather long and drawn out title but i couldnt' think of another way to word it.

  this is especially for the new poster darcy.

  i was wondering what you felt was necessary to receive everlasting life, whether on heaven or paradise earth?

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  darcy

  To avoid the punishment.

  A really simple illustration would be the teacher who walks out of the room, mischief takes place, and the teacher comes back in and pronounces, 'If you were apart of this, you're getting suspended' Now if you're innocent and you don't speak up, then you're presumed guilty, but if you can demonstrate innocence, then you receive "salvation" and are not suspended.

  To avoid the punishment.
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  For Darcy, what do you think is necessary for salvation?

  by TheListener in

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  i know it was a rather long and drawn out title but i couldnt' think of another way to word it.

  this is especially for the new poster darcy.

  i was wondering what you felt was necessary to receive everlasting life, whether on heaven or paradise earth?

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  darcy

  See the reply to Listener, I give my feelings on need of organization. I'm not opposed to what Jehovah or WTS requires of me. I don't always care for the words used to describe it "willing subjection" "willing slaves"... ech, however that's what it is, I suppose.

  Erhm, the wheat and the weeds. Well... WTS could be right. For now, i'll go with what they say. The fact they haven't been 100% right in the past just doesn't inspire rebellion in me. I've known two sisters who were of the annointed. One is very very old and all she cares about is her grandchildren, and once she grabs your hand you aren't getting away, but I know all of her kids and most of their kids, and we're friends. (Hah, there's this huge joke about me marrying one of her grandsons, cute kid, but marriage?... oh dear) And the second traveled the world with her grandmother as a child, had passed out Watchtowers on the Red Square at 12. She's also gotten her doctorate in theology for writing a 80 pg. thesis on her experience in the organization. An absolutely amazing woman. The annointed, if they're earnest, put much effort into the work and earn respect from everyone. If one of them were to abuse his/her title and try to use it to push others around, they'd probably still be treated respectfully, but I doubt people would really mean it. However, since they are of the annointed, I am sure they feel more than ever the need to imitate Jesus and the attitude displayed on the night of his death when he washed his disciples feet. Jesus showed he would take the lead in humility, and not be overbearing with titles, and it was via that humility that he really did gain the loving support and respect of his disciples.
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  For Darcy, what do you think is necessary for salvation?

  by TheListener in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i know it was a rather long and drawn out title but i couldnt' think of another way to word it.

  this is especially for the new poster darcy.

  i was wondering what you felt was necessary to receive everlasting life, whether on heaven or paradise earth?

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  darcy

  i was raised a jw. Because of my transcience in the past year, I've turned over most of my calls. However, last summer I started a study with a lady in the Bible Teach book, and now that I'm finally going to be in one place for a while, I'll probably be using the Bible Teach book now too. However, depending on the person and their agenda, plans may change.
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  For Darcy, what do you think is necessary for salvation?

  by TheListener in

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  i know it was a rather long and drawn out title but i couldnt' think of another way to word it.

  this is especially for the new poster darcy.

  i was wondering what you felt was necessary to receive everlasting life, whether on heaven or paradise earth?

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  darcy

  I went back and read the Lord's Prayer after reading your post, thinking about the 'will' issue.

  It says, let your will take place, as in heaven, also upon earth. So, question is, what has Jehovah done in heaven... thing that came to mind was Satan and his demons got thrown out. The 'wicked' removed. And that seems to be the underlying promise of everything in the scriptures with regards to prophecy. Forget the disputes about how it's actually supposed to happen, it's all about getting the bad people/creatures away. Who those bad people are is what Jehovah decides, but if you really don't want to be one of them, well as we've been discussing, the Bible puts forth much advice on how to avoid that stigma in God's eyes.

  Second thought. You mentioned he, God, doesn't seem to want to do much with the individual. And that makes sense, because he has nearly always worked through an organization. The priests with the Israelites, the kings, the judges, all that hierarchy. Early Christians and their congregations and brothers and "traveling brothers" like Paul. And then the dispute for today, which organization is God using today? Also, there are all the scriptures that talk about worshipping with others. From Jesus (I think) who said where two or three are gathered there are enough to Paul in Heb. 10:24, 25 and David in Psalms 22.22 "I shall declare your name to my brothers, in the middle of the congregation i shall praise you." So organization is important to our Almighty. But again, much dispute over which one he is using.

  Hmm... I can't read your post while I write this so I can't remember the other things. Oh oh, the faith and works... I wanted to add that works must be important because James says without them, faith is dead. Myself, I'd compare it to having an animal. You can say you love that animal as much as your want, but if you don't feed, care, and pet the creature adequately, then your words are empty. And you can see the application that would have to faith and works.

  Oh, and I wanted to thank you for being reasonable with your questions, and not asking me to defend decades old literature with wrong or screwy stuff in it. Things change. Forget WTS, try science. That's always changing, and you don't see people going to astrophycicist's asking them to defend disproven theories from the 1950s. Some science hasn't been proved wrong, and it's Very old (like Newton), so we keep it, but the stuff that turns out wrong gets shucked. Otherwise you aren't a progressive organization.
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  For Darcy, what do you think is necessary for salvation?

  by TheListener in

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  i know it was a rather long and drawn out title but i couldnt' think of another way to word it.

  this is especially for the new poster darcy.

  i was wondering what you felt was necessary to receive everlasting life, whether on heaven or paradise earth?

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  darcy

  I have no royal clue.

  I get told at the meetings, 'we love your answers, you're so strong, so encouraging.. blah blah blah blah.' and naturally everyone's glad to have me back from the wolves at college... I really am fond of the folks in my cong. I found the cong. at college very cold. (personally I think it's cause they were a bunch of yanks, but this probably isn't a good place to bring up the civil war)

  I feel sorry for some of them. I don't feel lesser than anyone there, or greater really. I've learned that they can't fix the problems in my family, that often things you think the elders should do, they don't because it's really something you've got to do. Like go get help when you're husband is abusive.

  Via the divorce, I learned everyone is fallible. Which took away any sense of intimidation I may have ever felt.

  I don't think this is answering the question. I don't know how to answer. I'm just there. Sometimes what I hear seems absurd, other times I really agree with it. I don't hold apostate or atheistical views anymore, so I try to be thoughtful and not challenge my friends at the cong. too much.

  Ah, that doesn't answer either. Where am I in the Society? I'm an indian.

  There.
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  For Darcy, what do you think is necessary for salvation?

  by TheListener in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i know it was a rather long and drawn out title but i couldnt' think of another way to word it.

  this is especially for the new poster darcy.

  i was wondering what you felt was necessary to receive everlasting life, whether on heaven or paradise earth?

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  darcy

  yeah, it makes sense. thanks for explaining that. It's not terminology I'm likely to use, but I'm sure this explanation will come handy in the future.
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  WERE THERE ANY `YOU CAN'T BE SERIOUS,MAN' moments in KH

  by badboy in

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  did something say something like that po who said`cats represent the beast' so you shouldn't stroke them'

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  darcy

  my aunt... well, she's also got a bit of a mouth on her... ahh... I don't know she'd do well in ANY religion.