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  "WHAT IF...."

  by Dia in

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  what if.... * ...you wanted to create a system that would 'oversee' certain criminal types to allow them to do the societally beneficial things they're capable of (holding down a job, contributing to the gdp and perhaps providing food and/or shelter for offspring and/or spouses) while keeping them off the tax roles, either as welfare recipients or expensive 'residents' of the criminal justice system.

  * ...you also wanted, without the expense of locking them up, to somehow keep them 'to themselves', away from society in general, so they couldn't do harm to the 'average guy'.. would you do much different than what the wts has been doing for the last many years?.

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  Dia

  Yes, yes, I understand.

  I'm not talking about a grand plan, however (or conspiracy, if you will). But I guess I'm wondering if a long series of oversites and roadblocks and diversions and allowances - and irritations and frustrations (we are afterall, talking about people trying to deal with JWs) and other assorted what-nots, perhaps coupled with some real evil, some real 'money-saving' evil, might not have led us to the place where we are now.

  "Follow the money", y'know.

  Edited by - Dia on 24 July 2002 22:34:9
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  personal boundaries

  by garybuss in

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  the manageable human.

  disassembling personal boundaries.

  disassembling personal boundaries clears the way for abusive behavior.

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  What is all that door-to-door rehearsal about anyway?

  Lots and lots of practice in how to NOT respect someone, how to NOT take a person's word for anything....how to ignore people.....how to walk all over their communications to you...learning how to assume that you know better than they do what is best for them and how to IMPOSE yourself on them. How to subvert them, cajole and manipulate them.

  For Jehovah's sake, of course.
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  "WHAT IF...."

  by Dia in

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  what if.... * ...you wanted to create a system that would 'oversee' certain criminal types to allow them to do the societally beneficial things they're capable of (holding down a job, contributing to the gdp and perhaps providing food and/or shelter for offspring and/or spouses) while keeping them off the tax roles, either as welfare recipients or expensive 'residents' of the criminal justice system.

  * ...you also wanted, without the expense of locking them up, to somehow keep them 'to themselves', away from society in general, so they couldn't do harm to the 'average guy'.. would you do much different than what the wts has been doing for the last many years?.

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  Please don't misunderstand. I'm not promoting 'what if?' -- I'm just pondering the risk/benefit equation in the context of JWs and trying to explore whether there is ANY damned reason at all that ANYONE would want to allow them to continue doing what they do. I wonder if, statistically, they have managed to 'keep it to themselves' overall - and I'm THRILLED to hear of cases where they have NOT succeeded at this or any other abuse of ANYONE. Still pondering, tho.....
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  "WHAT IF...."

  by Dia in

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  2. scandals

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  what if.... * ...you wanted to create a system that would 'oversee' certain criminal types to allow them to do the societally beneficial things they're capable of (holding down a job, contributing to the gdp and perhaps providing food and/or shelter for offspring and/or spouses) while keeping them off the tax roles, either as welfare recipients or expensive 'residents' of the criminal justice system.

  * ...you also wanted, without the expense of locking them up, to somehow keep them 'to themselves', away from society in general, so they couldn't do harm to the 'average guy'.. would you do much different than what the wts has been doing for the last many years?.

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  Dia

  What if...

  * ...you wanted to create a system that would 'oversee' certain criminal types to allow them to do the societally beneficial things they're capable of (holding down a job, contributing to the GDP and perhaps providing food and/or shelter for offspring and/or spouses) WHILE keeping them OFF the tax roles, either as welfare recipients or expensive 'residents' of the criminal justice system.

  * ...you also wanted, without the expense of locking them up, to somehow keep them 'to themselves', AWAY from society in general, so they couldn't do harm to the 'average guy'.

  Would you do much different than what the WTS has been doing for the last many years?

  Just asking....
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  English elder logs in.

  by caspian in

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  hi everyone.. my name is caspian, i am an elder in a congregation in england.. i have been reading this forum for about 12 months, never having the confidence to log in.. however after all the information that has come to light in the recent weeks, i feel that i need to start coming to terms with the crisis that i now feel.. i am a third gen jw, and been an elder for 15 years, my family whom i love dearly are all naive fully committed jw's.. please if any current or ex elders in a similar situation care to make any good advice.

  please help.. sincere regards.

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  Dia

  Greetings,

  At google.com you can find Dr. Jerry Bergman, an ex-jw who has written extensively about the mental health of JWs. He has a counseling practice and has been in the position of helping many, many Elders such as yourself.

  My best to you.

  Dia
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  Letter from UK MP

  by Sirona in

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  2. child-abuse

  there was a thread encouraging us all to write to our local mp regarding the child abuse issue.

  i did this by email to my local mp terry lewis, mp for worsley, greater manchester, uk.. here is his response letter which i received today:.

  23 july 2002. .

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  PS - how can any government exert any power whatsoever over a group who believes it is both their right and duty to lie in court?
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  Letter from UK MP

  by Sirona in

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  2. child-abuse

  there was a thread encouraging us all to write to our local mp regarding the child abuse issue.

  i did this by email to my local mp terry lewis, mp for worsley, greater manchester, uk.. here is his response letter which i received today:.

  23 july 2002. .

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  Dia

  "...pressing Ministers to hold an enquiry [inquiry?]"

  I don't understand what that means.

  Pressing the JW ministers? (that would be a waste) Or is that political terminology for something else in England?

  We don't have that term here in the States. A minister is some kind of leader of a church here.

  Please explain. Thanks. Dia
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  Anybody from the Chicago/suburbs area?

  by Dia in

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  anybody from the chicago area and/or surrounding suburbs?

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  Dia

  (Just a repeat of the above, hoping to get your attention...)
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  Anybody from the Chicago/suburbs area?

  by Dia in

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  anybody from the chicago area and/or surrounding suburbs?

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  Anybody from the Chicago area and/or surrounding suburbs?
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  We Disassociated Ourselves Tonite!!!

  by LyinEyes in

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  local elder called tonite, with a witness on the phone to ask if it is true we were smoking ?

  we said yes, and we know who told on us.

  it was a ms who was at the club just last week with another woman, not his wife of course, while she was at the meeting.

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  Dia

  To quote a representative from one of the cigarette companies:

  "Nicotine is an addictive substance, useful in the short-term alleviation of stress"

  Hope your new, less stressful life, will help you kick the habit. Best wishes for many happy holidays ahead - for all of you.