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  The end of the gentile times....

  by digderidoo in

  1. watchtower
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  i have been having a serious dicussion on another site with a jw.

  so far i think i have got my point across regarding 1914 and how the date wasn't actually predicted.

  whereas he has come back and said that they did in fact predict "the end of the gentile times".. to a point he is right, russell and his associates did say this.

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  digderidoo

  What year was that printed bennyk? It looks a good one.

  Paul
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  The end of the gentile times....

  by digderidoo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have been having a serious dicussion on another site with a jw.

  so far i think i have got my point across regarding 1914 and how the date wasn't actually predicted.

  whereas he has come back and said that they did in fact predict "the end of the gentile times".. to a point he is right, russell and his associates did say this.

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  digderidoo

  Thanks for all the references so far, i will use some.

  I have come with many references as to how they viewed 1914 beforehand. But the crux for him is they still said the "the end of the gentile times" would happen, so it's still a prediction. I don't see the logic myself if all they have done is change the meaning. I will answer him but i ain't going to do it till tomorrow.

  It's sort of made me realise that you can't argue with a JW, but at the same time there are others listening in. It aint a JW site, it's a bible discussion one with a JW section, so it attracts all who are interested in the bible.

  Paul
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  The end of the gentile times....

  by digderidoo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have been having a serious dicussion on another site with a jw.

  so far i think i have got my point across regarding 1914 and how the date wasn't actually predicted.

  whereas he has come back and said that they did in fact predict "the end of the gentile times".. to a point he is right, russell and his associates did say this.

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  digderidoo

  Thanks blondie i'll use that. That is a WT publication isn't it?

  Paul
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  The end of the gentile times....

  by digderidoo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have been having a serious dicussion on another site with a jw.

  so far i think i have got my point across regarding 1914 and how the date wasn't actually predicted.

  whereas he has come back and said that they did in fact predict "the end of the gentile times".. to a point he is right, russell and his associates did say this.

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  digderidoo

  I thought the end began in 1874 according to Russell.

  Russell did say later that 1914 would be "the end of the gentile times". But what i am failing to get through to him is how the meaning they had for it at the time meant that 1914 wasn't a prediction. How can it be a prediction when they decided to change the meaning of the term?

  Paul
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  The end of the gentile times....

  by digderidoo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have been having a serious dicussion on another site with a jw.

  so far i think i have got my point across regarding 1914 and how the date wasn't actually predicted.

  whereas he has come back and said that they did in fact predict "the end of the gentile times".. to a point he is right, russell and his associates did say this.

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  digderidoo

  If anyone wants to chip in a comment to him they are more than welcome. He is one of those JW's who has to get the last word in, but there are others on the site i am getting through to.

  Paul
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  The end of the gentile times....

  by digderidoo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have been having a serious dicussion on another site with a jw.

  so far i think i have got my point across regarding 1914 and how the date wasn't actually predicted.

  whereas he has come back and said that they did in fact predict "the end of the gentile times".. to a point he is right, russell and his associates did say this.

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  digderidoo

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  The end of the gentile times....

  by digderidoo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have been having a serious dicussion on another site with a jw.

  so far i think i have got my point across regarding 1914 and how the date wasn't actually predicted.

  whereas he has come back and said that they did in fact predict "the end of the gentile times".. to a point he is right, russell and his associates did say this.

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  digderidoo

  Are there any others? My knowledge of where scripture is has faded.

  Paul
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  The end of the gentile times....

  by digderidoo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have been having a serious dicussion on another site with a jw.

  so far i think i have got my point across regarding 1914 and how the date wasn't actually predicted.

  whereas he has come back and said that they did in fact predict "the end of the gentile times".. to a point he is right, russell and his associates did say this.

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  digderidoo

  I have been having a serious dicussion on another site with a JW. So far i think i have got my point across regarding 1914 and how the date wasn't actually predicted. Whereas he has come back and said that they did in fact predict "the end of the gentile times".

  To a point he is right, Russell and his associates did say this. But what i am failing to get through to him is that they redefined the meaning of the term.

  I am about to prepare another response to him, but one thing that i want to ask, i think i am right in saying that nowhere in the bible does it speak of the end of the gentile times? Am i right in this. Is the term "the end of the gentile times" a made up JW term?

  The debate i am having with him just seems to be going around in circles, to be honest i wish i hadn't have started it.

  Paul
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  Charles Sunutko - What became of him

  by donny in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i have often heard the 1967 talk of district overseer charles sunutko regarding 1975, but does anyone know what became of him?

  is he still around?

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  I think some are giving Solace a hard time on this one.

  We must remember what it was like when we first found this board. We were told again and again not to trust the internet and "apostate lies".

  There is nothing wrong in asking for proof.

  The following Solace is taken from the WT 15/3/1980, cut and pasted from the WT cd, but i have put some in bold for emphasis

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  In modern times such eagerness, commendable in itself, has led to attempts at setting dates for the desired liberation from the suffering and troubles that are the lot of persons throughout the earth. With the appearance of the book LifeEverlasting—inFreedomoftheSonsofGod, and its comments as to how appropriate it would be for the millennial reign of Christ to parallel the seventh millennium of man’s existence, considerable expectation was aroused regarding the year 1975. There were statements made then, and thereafter, stressing that this was only a possibility. Unfortunately, however, along with such cautionary information, there were other statements published that implied that such realization of hopes by that year was more of a probability than a mere possibility. It is to be regretted that these latter statements apparently overshadowed the cautionary ones and contributed to a buildup of the expectation already initiated.

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  In its issue of July 15, 1976, TheWatchtower, commenting on the inadvisability of setting our sights on a certain date, stated: "If anyone has been disappointed through not following this line of thought, he should now concentrate on adjusting his viewpoint, seeing that it was not the word of God that failed or deceived him and brought disappointment, but that his own understanding was based on wrong premises." In saying "anyone," TheWatchtower included all disappointed ones of Jehovah’s Witnesses, hence including personshavingtodowiththepublicationoftheinformation that contributed to the buildup of hopes centered on that date

  This is the closest the WT came to an apology. Notice that it admits they "published statements that implied that such realization of hopes by that year was more of a probability than a mere possibility".

  Interestingly the next paragraph lays the blame at individuals, including those "having to do with the publication of the information". So rather than blame themselves they shift the blame to individuals who published the information, which in fact is what the WTBTS is, individuals who publish information.

  Paul
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  1975 Reaction

  by MadApostate in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this past weekend, one of the few remaining jw relatives who will still discuss jw stuff with me told me about his recently attending a home bible study being conducted by an elder.

  evidently, the study had been told or had picked up some info about the 1975 fiasco.

  the elder totally denied that the society had stated or even led people to believe that armageddon would occur in 1975, and he naturally blamed some individual jws for misinterpreting the society's materials.

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  digderidoo

  BTTT

  I am threaded out, so i've bumped this thread up.

  Does anyone have any info on the JW response after 1975? I am looking for specific quotes as to how they blamed individual rank and file members.

  Paul