last night in a very very heated conversation with my mother, i explained to her that the wts teaches that the great crowd (non annointed) only feel the affects of the ransom sacrifice but that jesus died for the annointed or something along those lines.
she didn't believe me (she's been a witness for 22 years) and i have no idea where this is explained in the old watchtowers or whatever.
last night in a very very heated conversation with my mother, i explained to her that the WTS teaches that the great crowd (non annointed) only feel the affects of the ransom sacrifice but that Jesus died for the annointed or something along those lines. She didn't believe me (she's been a witness for 22 years) and I have no idea where this is explained in the old Watchtowers or whatever. Any help would be appreciated! thank you
i'm sick and tired of hearing things from uptight-short-sighted-narrow minded hypocritics. all i want is the truth just gimme some truth - John Lennon
I think it is possible because there are so many glaring problems within the doctrines taught and cover ups (the two versions of the truth book, the two versions of the Live Forever book, the book that reads like an acid trip, The Divine Plan of the Ages...) that people are getting sick of it. My wife and I are basically giving up our families (except for my mother in law who doesn't really believe it but goes w/ the flow) to get out. And we are only 24 and 22. I think it is possible that it will fall within the next 10 to 20 years. Then again, maybe not.
i'm sick and tired of hearing things from uptight-short-sighted-narrow minded hypocritics. all i want is the truth just gimme some truth - John Lennon
it is said of jw elders that they "can provide protection by listening attentively to his problem, offering bible-based counsel, and giving encouragement or practical help.
like their appointed king, christ jesus, they want to help those who have been 'thrown about.
' (matthew 9:36) and they desire to assist others who have been damaged by the winds of false teaching.
it is said of jw elders that they "can provide protection by listening attentively to his problem, offering bible-based counsel, and giving encouragement or practical help.
like their appointed king, christ jesus, they want to help those who have been 'thrown about.
' (matthew 9:36) and they desire to assist others who have been damaged by the winds of false teaching.
I find that the racist middle aged white views of the majority in the WTS detest rap music with no basis whatsoever...the majority of rap music is socially conscious music...only a very small % is gangsta rap....
i'm sick and tired of hearing things from uptight-short-sighted-narrow minded hypocritics. all i want is the truth just gimme some truth - John Lennon
in the case of silent lambs versus the christian congregation of jehovah's witnesses.. did you ever think that discussing these cases here accompanied by your vitriole against all things watchtower could be used to:.
1. show that ex jehovahs witnesses harbor such a hatred for the watchtower society that they will say anything to discredit them.. 2. show that there is a network of ex jehovahs witnesses that may have helped to create these abuse accusations in the alledged victims' minds or at least have encouraged them, even unwittingly, to exaggerate their claims.. i guarantee you that the watchtower society has documented every word anyone here has said, especially on this issue.
i can easily see a defense team using it to, if not exonerate accused molesters and the watchtower society, to at least create a reasonable doubt regarding their guilt.. if your hatred of the watchtower causes you to join in irrational behavior and accusations, you have to contemplate the fact that you may be adding to the future grief of any real victims.. i present this for your thoughtful consideration.. as always, i wish all here peace.. joel
I don't think you can generalize xjw's or jw's into one category. As far as I'm concerned there are some really nice people in both groups and some absolute nuts in both groups. I think you are right - some people are using the child molesting situation as a way to promote their own agenda. I think they are the minority though - most people just want to see things handled in a just way. If the Watchtower Society just was upfront about certain things (The UN situation for example) then most people would say "ah, its just another religion". which it is. But when they label it "the truth" and then proceed to cover up everything (1984 anyone?) it makes people angry and hurt.
i'm sick and tired of hearing things from uptight-short-sighted-narrow minded hypocritics. all i want is the truth just gimme some truth - John Lennon
diamond's thread inspired this idea... at least, this is how i wish my last talk had gone.. next on the school is brother hmmm.
his talk is based on the song of solomon, and his theme is: "be steadfast and faithful, like the shulamite maiden.. "throughout history, babylon the great, the world empire of false religion, has fornicated with the scarlet-colored wild beast.
they have traded support for the league of nations--and it's successor the united nations--for political clout and expediency in furthering their selfish goals.
good point logical...i'm not really sure what the "official" WTS backed view is, but I've heard both views from many many pioneers and elders...I think most JW's believe both defintions.
i'm sick and tired of hearing things from uptight-short-sighted-narrow minded hypocritics. all i want is the truth just gimme some truth - John Lennon
