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  Anyone still have friends in the org that they speak with?

  by done4good in

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  i ask this because i have two or three that know my stand on things, but am unsure of how to go about getting on the offensive with them, about the wts.

  they are reasonable people, and i think if i could just plant the seeds in the right way, it may get them thinking.

  so, i'm asking if anyone here has any real experience doing the same with ones they consider "friends" who either are still or were in the org at one time.. j

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  Lady Liberty,

  I would agree that the vast majority of "friends" are conditional. Some of those things there just sound unbelievable! There are a few, (at least 2, I can think of), that in my case would probably ignore the rules and continue to associate with me, albeit in a limited fasion, if I get d/f. Actually, the association is already limited by virtue of the fact of my known issues with the org, so probably little would change. As far as the rumor mill goes, I could care less what the "conditional" majority have to say. That too might just be a good thing, as those few who truly know me would also know that those things would be bs, and maybe, just maybe, it might make them think.

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  Q & A sessions

  by KW13 in

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  does anyone remember the old q&a sessions in meetings?

  where all the dubs would answer as many questions as they could in x amount time?.

  looking back, i remember not only was it super boring, (everyone was quiet and you could hear a pin drop) but it made sure all the rank and file were well and truly brainwashed mum/stepdad/friends used to all get their head down, scribbling away and hoping that they'd do well.

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  If you got a bad grade did you sent to the "back room", was there a "marking" talk somewhow involved???

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  Agnostic or Atheist?

  by done4good in

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  for all of you non-religionists out there: do you consider yourself an agnostic or atheist, and why?

  it seems many ex-jws that "loose the faith" have a tendency to go straight for atheism.

  i myself, would consider myself more of an agnostic, as i believe we have no real way of knowing if there is a god one way or the other, and it tends to seem just as extreme to me, to insist that there is not one.

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  jstalin, thanks for the book recommendation. I have ordered it.

  Whenever an extraordinary claim is made, I want to see proof before I will profess any possible acceptance of it. In the meantime I will lack belief in it.

  Good point. I have considered this myself. I just have certain questions about where ceratin human traits, (such as where inate ethical and moral values), come from. There seems to be no easy answer for this, and I would have to say it is most likely the reason for the human invention of religion in the first place, (and all of the bad that comes with it). Does a scientific explanation for that actually exist?

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  Agnostic or Atheist?

  by done4good in

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  for all of you non-religionists out there: do you consider yourself an agnostic or atheist, and why?

  it seems many ex-jws that "loose the faith" have a tendency to go straight for atheism.

  i myself, would consider myself more of an agnostic, as i believe we have no real way of knowing if there is a god one way or the other, and it tends to seem just as extreme to me, to insist that there is not one.

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  done4good

  For all of you non-religionists out there: Do you consider yourself an agnostic or atheist, and why? It seems many ex-jws that "loose the faith" have a tendency to go straight for atheism. I myself, would consider myself more of an agnostic, as I believe we have no real way of knowing if there is a god one way or the other, and it tends to seem just as extreme to me, to insist that there is not one. What are your thoughts?

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  Anyone still have friends in the org that they speak with?

  by done4good in

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  i ask this because i have two or three that know my stand on things, but am unsure of how to go about getting on the offensive with them, about the wts.

  they are reasonable people, and i think if i could just plant the seeds in the right way, it may get them thinking.

  so, i'm asking if anyone here has any real experience doing the same with ones they consider "friends" who either are still or were in the org at one time.. j

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  done4good

  I ask this because I have two or three that know my stand on things, but am unsure of how to go about getting on the offensive with them, about the WTS. They are reasonable people, and I think if I could just plant the seeds in the right way, it may get them thinking. So, I'm asking if anyone here has any real experience doing the same with ones they consider "friends" who either are still or were in the org at one time.

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  One more down the drain-marriage-divorce

  by sspo in

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  i mentioned in the past that my wife turned me in for apostasy and because of it she filed for separation ( she is too holy and spiritual to file for divorce) .she came home this afternoon and started packing a few things to move to an apartment.. i am still going to meetings but it is not enough for her, i reminded her of 1 cor 7 where it talks about a wife not leaving an unbeleiver as long as he is willing to stay with her but she says that does not apply to apostasy.

  go figure!.

  she is free to worship her god, i'm not stopping her but she has been blessed by the powerful gb who the witnesses exalts above god himself that tells them they have the right to leave a mate if it is spiritual endangerment.

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  Sorry to hear about this sspo. My ex tried to pull the same crap, and actually lost the battle, (she could not prove it to the elders). In the end though, if it's what she wants to do, she's going to do it, (she won the war). Although I know it's traumatic loosing a marriage of that many years, (mine was only 10, but that's enough), take some heart in knowing you can move on to a healthier situation. It really does get better.

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  Hi Im new here.

  by IP_SEC in

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  my first post out of the box was "what is a dub?

  matt.

  (shamless self promoter class) .

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  Yes. Done for good!

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  Hi Im new here.

  by IP_SEC in

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  my first post out of the box was "what is a dub?

  matt.

  (shamless self promoter class) .

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  done4good

  You have been here a lot longer than me, but welcome!

  j

  btw, I take it by your avatar you work in the IT industry?
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  Why all the hostility toward WTS?

  by hambeak in

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  i'm very new to this and please understand, but at one time or another most everyone here was a loyal and faithful witness.. if you disapproove of it or don't fit in as i don't.

  why keep pounding at them it is like an obsession.. i would really like to know.

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  done4good

  The more the WTS is proved wrong the more the fear disipates. If only the WTS could be exposed out of existence, the fear of dying a Joehovers hands would be gone too.

  Well said IP_SEC. We need to find a way to do that.

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  Public Reproof: What is it? Has it ever happend in your Hall or to you?

  by jayhawk1 in

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  what is public reproof?

  does the watchtower corp still use it?

  do they use a judicial committee for it?

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  done4good

  The reproof is a singular, one time event. The lose of privileges goes on for a period of time.

  True, but you have to "earn" your privleges back. If the elders don't see you at meetings, out on service, etc, the removal of privleges stays in effect.

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