It certainly made it easier to leave. I never knew most of any of the truth, about "the truth", before reading about these things on the internet.
j
untitled document <!-- .style1 {font-family: verdana} .style2 {font-family: verdana; font-style: italic; } --> discoveries about the organization on the internet admittedly, had it not been for the internet, and all of the dis-.
coveries that were found on it; i would still be one of jehovah's .
witnesses.
It certainly made it easier to leave. I never knew most of any of the truth, about "the truth", before reading about these things on the internet.
j
i am new here and have been "lurking" for several months.
the discussions have helped me tremendously to break free from the society.
i want to thank you all for your help and heartfelt posts.
Welcome, Kitten Whiskers!
j
for the two xmas's we have been 'out', wifey and i have celebrated christmas quietly with the grandkids and a few family.
although we have had a tree - somewhat hidden from view inside - we have not ever put a light or decoration outside.
this week i proposed to wifey that i light the large conifer in the back yard this season.
Go for it! I know I plan to this year.
j
muslims daily, in the arab world, call for the death to christians and the americans.
even looking at some muslim websites, you will see jesus shown to be evil and the christian faith to be a terrible group of people.
so with this, why does minor comments on them and cartoons about their founder make them so extreme?
I, too, has Muslim friends at college - and they couldn't do enough for me. Those I associated with were never of the stand-offish type.
Yes, I didn't mean to imply that they were not good friends, they certainly were, and one of them, (that I still have some contact with), still is. However, what I meant by "standoffish" is, much like the jws, they know that there are certain things their religion teaches that most non-Muslims wouldn't agree with, to say the least. When it comes to those areas, most Muslims are silent, when dealing with non-Muslims. We did much of the same when we were jws. Those individual Muslims themselves may not agree in their hearts with what their religion teaches, (just as there were certain elements of the jw faith that we didn't agree with), but nevertheless, when some issue comes to a head, (such as a df'd family member or good friend), a faithful jw will reluctantly comply with the rules. A faithful Muslim, cannot denounce what the "fanatical" Muslims do, because they know their religion teaches these things, to some degree.
j
muslims daily, in the arab world, call for the death to christians and the americans.
even looking at some muslim websites, you will see jesus shown to be evil and the christian faith to be a terrible group of people.
so with this, why does minor comments on them and cartoons about their founder make them so extreme?
The Nazis who murdered 6 million Jews were largely made up of Roman Catholics and Protestants.
Yes, Ian. But not in THE NAME of thier religion. What the Muslim world is presently doing, (and has done to a lesser extent over the last 5 decades), is clearly being done FOR RELIGIOUS reasons. There has ALWAYS been an innate intolerance within Islam for non-Muslims. I had Muslim friends in both high school and college, and there was always somewhat of a standoff-ish side to them. One could only get to know them so well. I strongly believe we have justifiable cause to be concerned about this situation.
j
thirdwitness,.
my father, who sat on his first judicial committee when he was 17 and has been and "elder" ever since, couldn't provide scriptures to support some very basic teachings of jehovah's witnesses.
our current circuit overseer could not either.
As much as we would like to see 3W attempt to make an argument, he won't. He seems to have an agenda of using a few specific topics that he can make some type of interperative argument for. This fits in with the theory that he may be some Bethel insider attempting to "disprove" certain ex-jw "themes", (such as the UN and 607), if you will. Obviously, he can never prove any jw dogma, as it is IMPOSSIBLE to do so. One just has to be assimulated to accept it. I, for one, don't necessarily believe he is some Bethel insider, (just not their way of doing things, and they can't be THAT ignorant to think they can somehow win those type of arguments), but IF he is, I would suspect he will go away shortly, as his attempts to justify the WT position have utterly failed.
j
untitled document <!-- .style1 {font-family: verdana} .floatingtext { font-family: verdana; float: left; } --> watchtower arouses emotions how much of an affect did the organization have on you deciding to become one of.
jehovah's witnesses or staying within the confines of the organization?.
did the artists rendition of paradise earth pull you into the "truth"?
I finally happy, but forever f'd up because of that mess. Makes me angry sometimes.
j
everyone has a story about what they were doing and the emotions that followed after the twin towers were hit...what is your story?
?
Getting of a plane. Seriously.
j
i want to take a minute and remember those who died that tragic, surreal day.
god bless.. .
this is my official day... five years ago ... when i decided to no longer attend regular meetings.. so, .. my wife comes home from the meeting yesterday and says..."elder.______ says to say hi to you" ... as we were talking after the meeting.. (this is the guy who was at my house telling me i should go to another hall, as i was no longer welcome there.).
i wish i would have thought to say...you should have told him that : ... i was celebrating five years of not attending.!.
but i did'nt think of it till later last night.
Oh, Happy Aniversary!
j