Terry - This is spot on.
I have a few friends that should be reading this, (they might be). They would actually see for themselves there is not a hate induced motive for this site's existence.
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WHAT ARE THE FIVE STEPS to healing as a mind-raped victim?
by Terry inpsychologists have listed a hierarchy of emotion/attitude a person goes through when they are faced with devastating news.. 1.denial.
when any true believer is faced with the news that their denomination or bible isn't reliable as a word for word, account by account, saying by saying record of something god wants us to know---they go into denial.. 2.anger.
usually anger is directed at the messenger breaking the bad news to them.
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Has anyone found comfort/encouragement from "worldly songs"?
by awakening ini remember reading a thread when my exit was starting, about inspirational songs.
someone posted a link to the "shins" for a fool.
this was a surprising help to me.
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A few more came to mind...
"The Grand Illusion" - Styx from The Grand Illusion (Just a positive message).
Side 1 of Rush's 2112 - For those of you unfamiliar with album "sides" this is everything before "A Passage to Bangkok", (although that track could probably be added to the list for other reasons ).
Anything by Radiohead, (Just because it is brilliant).
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Has anyone found comfort/encouragement from "worldly songs"?
by awakening ini remember reading a thread when my exit was starting, about inspirational songs.
someone posted a link to the "shins" for a fool.
this was a surprising help to me.
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Your ELO pick is great!
"Vienna" - Billy Joel from The Stranger
Entire album of American Idiot by Green Day
"Portrait" - Kansas from Point of Know Return (About Einstien)
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Talked to JW's in Service Today (kinda long...sorry)
by exwhyzee ini was in my company vehicle and i spotted some jw's going from door to door.. i circled around the block and pulled over.
when they passed, i rolled down the .
window and asked the pleasant looking middle aged couple as they passed, if they were jehovah's .
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Great job XYZ!
I find that less and less JWs really "believe" the BS.
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Hardcore JW Friend Predicts the End of the Organization within 10 years.
by kneehighmiah inhad a conversation with an aspiring elder.
he said the end must be close because people are so discouraged that the organization can't last more than 10 years.
this is before we received the please come to the international convention letter.
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emeth-i think 8,5 million will be reached in 2016 9,2 milllion in 2020, 10 milllion in 2024
Even if that is true, (which I doubt the actual numbers would be), it does not matter. The organization has prided itself on numbers too long, and really it only goes to show how shallow and superficial it all really is. Quality matters little in the WT.
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Do you think not having the book study in private homes has had much effect?
by truthseeker init's been a few years since the organization ended the book study arrangement in private homes.. gone was the last opportunity to have tea and biscuits and a natter with the friends afterwards.. do you think people regret losing the book study?
for some, it may have been the only time they were able to get some "associaton".
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I was out three years before this went into effect, but I cannot see this as a good thing for the organization overall, even if people enjoy the extra night off.
The book study was one of very few "warmer" aspects of the organization. It is now just one big cold and itellectually lacking void.
Long...............Slow........................................................Brain.......................................................................Drain
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Has a critical mass of exJWs been reached?
by truthseeker init took the better part of 15 years but i believe we have finally arrived at that point where there is now a critical mass of former witnesses.. thousands of exjws come together on forums like this one and discuss findings, ideas and research.
there have been documentaries and even a movie made about life in the jehovah's witnesses.. ex jw websites, online forums, and discussion boards that set the wheels in motion in the early to late 90s have matured into powerful tools of social change within the organization.. the lies and false doctines taught by the watchtower bible & tract society are plainly accessible with just a cursory google search.. active elders leak boe letters, often weeks before they hit the notice board in a kingdom hall.. social media has allowed exjws to connect with those still in as well as those who have left.. the society have no game plan because information is power and they have lost the information war.
all they can do is cry wolf and warn the rank and file not to listen to apostates.. i don't know what future the society will face in the next ten years, but changing world events, social trends, and reactionary change from headquarters based on their own faulty biblical chronology has got them cornered like a raging animal.. it doesn't look good..
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Good post, and comments.
There will not likely be any large exodus or "sudden" collapse, (unless a major issue with negative publicity takes place). However, the long slow brain drain has been taking place at least since the late '70s and is picking up steam considerably in the last 20 years since the information age was consumerized, (i.e. the internet brought into the everyday user).
Society's entire approach to information has changed. Even formal educational approaches are very different from what they used to be, (memorization, for example is no longer stressed, nor is an authoritative approach to sources, unless peer reviewed). People have learned to think critically for themselves, and in most cases, have learned to do so naturally, just by using information sources now available.
marlu-BTW, one interesting phenomenon I see fairly recently are "demi-apostates". That is, people who are somewhat half-believing. They choose to stay in the org despite some major flaws they see, they think the WTS still has some/many things right, yet post on ex-JW forums without regrets. According to the WTS, such people shouldn't even exist. Goes to show that they're losing more and more control.
Great point, and something I have observed as well. My approach with these types, (at least recently), has been to educate them about cognitive dissonance and let them connect the dots. It does get them thinking...
The WT cannot healthily survive in this climate forever.
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Was There Anything A JW Said That Made You Raise Your Eyebrows?
by minimus inwe had an elderly pioneer/ms in our hall and he used to like to rattle the elders.
he liked using the "n" word in his comments.
he one time started to comment about the "ni##er pool" that he would observe among the poorer blacks.
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And as far as an answer to the OP goes, too many to count.
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Was There Anything A JW Said That Made You Raise Your Eyebrows?
by minimus inwe had an elderly pioneer/ms in our hall and he used to like to rattle the elders.
he liked using the "n" word in his comments.
he one time started to comment about the "ni##er pool" that he would observe among the poorer blacks.
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vidiot-Willful ignorance bothers the hell out of me, almost as much as intellectual dishonesty.
Basically, those actions are two variations of the same behavior.
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I think my D.O. Is a closet apostate. References Stanford Prison Study and hints he sometimes disagrees with the Branch
by kneehighmiah ini find it odd that the district overseer today made.
1. zero yes 0 references to the fds in any of his talks.. 2.he also told elders that the brothers worship god and not them.so therefore the elders have no authority to order the friends around.. 3. he also talked about the stanford prison study and said that people who receive authority over others often abuse it.
4. he mentioned that when he disagrees with the branch (aka the fds) he's learned to just do what they say.
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Maybe I'm wrong about this guy? If so, he walking on thin ice!