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  Dilemma

  by Gorbatchov in

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  gorby and his lovely wife had during dinner a chat about watchtower hypocrisy.

  she faded with me since 2007 and shows sometimes affection for the organization.. we talked about the gb and ray franz.. she asked me if she could read my ray franz books.. now i have a dilemma.

  the books gave me a hard time in the '90.. i know the ray franz truth can hurt and shock her so much.

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  There is no dilemma here.

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  Pets aren't people, says speaker at Regional Convention. Fido and Mimi better watch out! And instead of drinking wine or beer go do some gardening or play golf.

  by oppostate in

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  a big discussion driving back from the regional convention about what exactly was meant about pets.. the warning was obvious to me.

  don't get pets, they cost time and money and you would do better to spend your time and money supporting the organization and going in field service.. as to the wine and beer, because the bro during his soliloquy admitted that the first thing he would like to do is relax after a hectic day at work with a glass of wine or beer, his conscience was traumatized.

  however he came up with a perfect idea, he'd go tend the garden (obviously a solution for a married bro) or hit some golfballs at the driving range (maybe he's not married).. maybe jesus should have told the wine guzzlers at cana to sober up and go till the fields.. .

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  The WT does not care about people. It should be no surpise to anyone they don't care about pets.

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  Major reversal for the Watchtower imminent - Countdown: only 5 left.

  by Focus in

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  focus.

  ("armageddon" class).

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  Phizzy: Agree D of T, we can never repeat this stuff enough for J.W's discovering this Site, they cannot ever get this TTATT unless it is plainly laid before them.

  It depends on the personality type. Some can intuit it, without concrete evidence, but most cannot. Of even those that can, they will not see until they are ready. By ready, specifically I mean having overcome the fear of leaving and all leaving entails. It usually takes a significant event in one's life to face that fear rationally.

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  This will be a GREAT organization!

  by Kensho in

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  when...... 1) we follow christ example not the gb.

  2) stop df'ing those for challenging current or past doctrine and allow us to use our god given gift of reason and free wil.

  sure kick out the scumbags even the lions club have rules for membership, but not those who just use their brains and consience.. 3) get rid of the nonsensical blood teaching that has cost the lives of thousands and beg god for forgiveness.

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  Impossible. Everything you mention is incompatible with an authoritarian high control group.

  Stop dreaming.

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  Android or iPad? Help please.

  by Xanthippe in

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  it seems i am going to have to teach people to use a tablet as part of my job and i don't even have one!

  any advice would be most helpful please.. i keep reading blurb on amazon etc and now i'm really confused.

  what should i buy?

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  I own both, and engineer network support systems for both OSs, (iOS and Android), such as VPN, UC apps, etc.

  For day to day "it just works" stuff...Ipad. iOS generally has better commercial application availabilty for some reason also.

  If you have to run some one off applications that require with dealing with a lot of "non-Apple" stuff, (like dealing with limitations associated with wireless AP distances and so forth), Android might be a better choice, since fixes for bugs associated with those types of problems seem to be a bit more forthcoing from Google than Apple.

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  Do You Like or Dislike Algebra? Why and Why not?

  by Scott77 in

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  july 28, 2012is algebra necessary?by andrew hacker .

  a typical american school day finds some six million high school students and two million college freshmen struggling with algebra.

  in both high school and college, all too many students are expected to fail.

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  Breakfast of Champions -I'm taking Calculus right now. . . .

  And you would think where I'd get hung up is in all that fancy calc stuff like derivatives, and derivatives of derivatives . . ..

  But nooooooo. . . . . . all of those concepts I've got down pat.

  Where do I always screw up? In the friggin algebra!

  Drives me absolutely mad!

  I know what you mean. Took algebra in HS, just slipped through one year, did pretty good with Algebra II for some reason the next, but struggled again with it as an undergrad in college.

  I did not take calculus until I became a grad student. Since I get the concepts of calculus, (such as limits, and what they mean), I had no problem whatsoever getting an A, even in advanced calc and several courses dealing with calc and stats. But the algebra part of it still drives me batshit crazy.

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  The INTJ Personality Type, (and those close to it)

  by done4good in

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  i am compelled to write a bit about this at this late hour here in the us, because it is keeping me up.. the recent four year old thread on the briggs myers personality type test that was dug up, produced an interesting finding.

  many here, (at least tested informally for), the intj personality type.

  intjs also do not understand irrational behavior particularly well at all.. why does this matter?

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  From what I understand of MBTI, your type does not change. As some have said, mood and other factors could affect the results though. One's ability to be 100% honest in answering also plays a significant role.

  I would imagine it would be very difficult for a JW to actually take this test and be 100% honest with themselves. The same would likely hold true for someone who recently exited. I think if I were to have taken any MBTI test either while in or even after 2 or 3 years out, I likely would have been an ISTJ. My natural ability to use abstraction has always been part of who I am, but the practical part of my personality was just too dominant from all of the "practical" conditioning from the org. I likely would have provided conditioned answers. No more.

  It took me several years being out to fully realize that potential.

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  The INTJ Personality Type, (and those close to it)

  by done4good in

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  i am compelled to write a bit about this at this late hour here in the us, because it is keeping me up.. the recent four year old thread on the briggs myers personality type test that was dug up, produced an interesting finding.

  many here, (at least tested informally for), the intj personality type.

  intjs also do not understand irrational behavior particularly well at all.. why does this matter?

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  Very good comments all.
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  The INTJ Personality Type, (and those close to it)

  by done4good in

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  i am compelled to write a bit about this at this late hour here in the us, because it is keeping me up.. the recent four year old thread on the briggs myers personality type test that was dug up, produced an interesting finding.

  many here, (at least tested informally for), the intj personality type.

  intjs also do not understand irrational behavior particularly well at all.. why does this matter?

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  Fraz-

  I completely agree that it is an uncontrolled test, and therefore not scientific. Any evidence is anecdotal at best.

  That said, there is a signifciant correlation, (not causation), between posting here and the NT personality type as represented by Briggs Myers. That, in of itself is worth at least some examiniation. This is how a statistician would view a correlation coefficient somewhere in the .3-.5 range.

  That is my point.

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  The INTJ Personality Type, (and those close to it)

  by done4good in

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  i am compelled to write a bit about this at this late hour here in the us, because it is keeping me up.. the recent four year old thread on the briggs myers personality type test that was dug up, produced an interesting finding.

  many here, (at least tested informally for), the intj personality type.

  intjs also do not understand irrational behavior particularly well at all.. why does this matter?

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  done4good

  I am compelled to write a bit about this at this late hour here in the US, because it is keeping me up.

  The recent four year old thread on the Briggs Myers personality type test that was dug up, produced an interesting finding. Many here, (at least tested informally for), the INTJ personality type. This is significant, because even if many who took the test and recevied this result, did so somewhat inaccurately, it still does not negate the fact that many have similar personality traits that do not fit in well with what most humans "do". INTJs make up about 1-2% of the world population, and the fact that so many here tested out this way does matter. It is not a mere statistical anomaly. Anyone with a background in probability theory would understand this.

  INTJs may very well make rational decisions easily, be particularly good at seeing the "big picture", etc., but the reality is, they do not deal with irrational behavior well. That includes their own irrational behavior, that they themselves are sometimes are susceptible to. Contrary to what some light hearted material on the subject might state or imply, INTJs do have feelings, they just internalize them. INTJs also do not understand irrational behavior particularly well at all.

  Why does this matter? Because human relationships are not rational. They are based on emotions and intuitive hueristics. INTJs expect humans to deal rationally with each other at all times. Guess what, we don't. None of us do. For example, when we experience shunning from a loved one, (yes, INTJs do respond to love), it hurts like hell. We do not have a built in mechanism for coping with this other than our analytical skills, which are inadequate to understand this irrational behavior. So guess what, we spend much of our time on forums like this, researching, reading, meditating, and pain killing, (INTJs can be more prone to alcohol and drug abuse), to find an outlet and closure to the pain we are experiencing.

  I would like to once again stress the point, that a statistical anomaly is not what we are seeing in these results. JWs make up about .1% of the total population, and only a subset of that number leave. A much smaller subset of that number, actually care to do any research, and understand their past experience of being a JW, as well as curious enough to learn the big picture theoretical ideas that INTJs generally gravitate toward learning. It is very likely that the high percentage of this type we see in the results is consistent with the audience we are sampling. Hopefully, this provides some clues in better understanding ourselves.

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