Don't expect a country founded by Puritans, and that has a first and second constitutional amendment based on 18th century context, to understand the importance of statistical logic.
d4g
done4good
JoinedPosts by done4good
-
101
Toddler accidentally shoots woman dead in Idaho Walmart
by nicolaou ina woman has been shot dead by a 2-year-old in a wal-mart store in idaho.. .
the 29-year-old was shopping with four children in the store in hayden, when the two-year-old reached into her handbag and fired the weapon, shooting her dead.. initial reports suggested the woman was the boy's mother, but the police have said that this is as yet unclear how they are related.. source; http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/toddler-accidentally-shoots-woman-in-idaho-walmart-9950847.html.
i've nothing to add to my past comments on americas psychotic relationship with guns.
-
-
done4good
-
22
Candace Conti - Consequence for Elders
by The Searcher inbodies of elders around the world will soon (tm) receive a nicely worded letter from the christian congregation of jehovah's witnesses, telling them that local elders are now responsible for ensuring that no perverts are allowed to be alone with any children on any kind of witness business, otherwise, the boe will be accountable to the courts - not the org!.
however, if the elders are aware that bro.
& sister oblivious sometimes ask bro.
-
-
done4good
This will change policy, even if not immediately.
The legal precedent has at least been set for other cases like it, to come forward.
This is a marathon, not a sprint. Social evolution takes time.
d4g
-
9
Conti Verdict - what will this mean for congregation?
by sparrowdown inwill the outcome of this case translate into any major changes for the way congregations are run?.
what do you think?.
-
-
done4good
Yes. See my reply to your post on the other Conti case thread.
The short term will bring mostly elder policy changes in handling of these cases. Longer term will see a change in the way the entire judicial process works within the congs. (Read, it will weaken it).
d4g
-
105
LATEST NEWS: CANDANCE CONTI VERIDICT READY - WT LOST!!!!!!!
by Viva la Vida ini'm not an expert but that is my understanding of this: .
opinion filed.. (signed published) the judgment against defendants on the negligence count is affirmed.
the judgment against watchtower on the cause of action for punitive damages is reversed with directions to enter judgment for watchtower on punitive damages.
-
-
done4good
For some reason the paste function is acting up again...Firefox works only marginally well on this site now.
Sparrowdown-
In terms of negligence/punitives...Punitive damages can only be awarded if negligence is found first, however they are not automatic, and often reversed by the appeals process.
The WT was being tried for negligence. They LOST. This will set a precedent that will reverberate big time at HQ, no different than Swaggart losing the State of California v. Swaggart over sales tax did in 1989/90. The WT watched that case closely, for good reason. They could not put themselves in a position where they would have had to pay taxes, it would have bankrupted them. Their business model could not support it.
Believe me, they are scared shitless now.
d4g
-
105
LATEST NEWS: CANDANCE CONTI VERIDICT READY - WT LOST!!!!!!!
by Viva la Vida ini'm not an expert but that is my understanding of this: .
opinion filed.. (signed published) the judgment against defendants on the negligence count is affirmed.
the judgment against watchtower on the cause of action for punitive damages is reversed with directions to enter judgment for watchtower on punitive damages.
-
-
done4good
This will force the WT to change their policy or face very severe consequences for not doing so.
I personally think it will also weaken the entire framework that the WT's judicial process, (and all that comes with it), is built upon, since it will force them to almost immediately deal with child abuse cases differently than other cases at the congregation level, but that is for another thread of discussion.
One big win for Candice!
d4g
-
47
All you men here, who does the house cleaning?
by James Mixon indo you help or is this a woman job?
have you change your ways since.
leaving the borg.
-
-
done4good
We are fortunate to have cleaners every other week...
I am a clean freak, so even though my wife is quite capable and responsible in this area, (for example I know better than to have anything to do with the laundry, because I am never doing it right, according to her), when it comes to most other things, I find myself often re-doing or being just downright anal about either something she or the cleaning folks did.
Overall, when it come to domestic chores, we are pretty good at divide and conquer.
d4g
-
233
What is BELIEF ?
by EdenOne instemming from the 'absentheism' thread, an old question came to my mind.
what exactly is "belief"?.
is it the same to ask: "do you believe in god?
-
-
done4good
Not sure all of what has been said over 45 pages, (could Cofty possibly be here? :-)
In the epistemological sense, belief is to accept something as true. It infers that no empirical evidence is used to support stated "truth".
d4g
-
10
"Life is SO HARD!!" The martyrdom and moaning of the April broadcast!
by stuckinarut2 inoh man!.
the april broadcast is so manipulative when it speaks about enduring.
the very premise makes witnesses feel burdened with a martyrdom and heavy hearted complex!
-
-
done4good
It is easy to convince people times are bad when:
1. They are prevented from having an education and meaningful, (and likely well paying), employment.
2. They are not permitted to pursue their interests and dreams.
3. Everything not coming from "mother" can be presumed bad, or at least questionable.
For any JW that does not follow the manipulative "counsel" that produces the three outcomes above, listen up:
You have a chance.
d4g
-
44
Are Jehovah's Witnesses Happy?
by minimus ini know of the local congregation's issues, per an elder i know quite well.
he has said that nearly everyone in the congregation is suffering emotionally and mentally.
he said he has never seen so many witnesses with so many problems.
-
-
done4good
Only when either performing some non-JW productive activity, (such as something career oriented or educational), or while in escapist mode. The less they do of the former, the more they seem to do of the latter.
-
45
Why do we get TTATT and others don't?
by quest81 ini have thought about how ttatt came full circle for me.
how the connecting the dots was simple and just made sense,.
how silos of information are literally at our fingertips today.. why is it that the ones we love cannot get ttatt?.
-
-
done4good
Oubliette - There are a large number of manipulative techniques which do not require disconfirming evidence and a corresponding "doubling down" on the part of the person being manipulated.
I agree with this. There certainly are other important manipulation factors involved.
What I am mostly referring to is the "glue" that makes one's belief rather impervious to contrary evidence. In my own experience, (and from what I have seen from many on this board as well), I saw things that were not "right" years before I left. Things that I know now, would have been obvious to me had I not already had the mental investment in the belief system. Cognitions are very powerful, especially for thinking type people. Thinking types have a low tolerance for dissonance in this area, (Feeling types may rationalize more easily). So one ends up faced with a choice, either make the painful change of accepting that one's belief system is wrong, or simply push the disconfirming evidence away. Since this happens primarily subconsciously, that latter is almost a given.
This is a subtle, yet considerable factor as to why otherwise intelligent people cannot see something obvious, such as TTATT. Fear is a big factor, however the fear we are discussing in this context is mostly existential in nature. One is mostly fearful of losing their understanding of the way the world works, even though they almost certainly do not recognize it as such.
d4g