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  Suggestions for Governing Body 2.0

  by FusionTheism in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i realize many people on here are very angry at the watchtower society and/or governing body for various reasons, many of which are likely justified, at least to some extent.

  i also can totally understand the cynicism and pessimism i see from certain ones regarding the leaders of the society.. i think one thing that's often forgotten or overlooked, however, is the fact that members of the governing body who've been "in the truth" for 30, 40, 50, 60 years, probably truly believe in this organization.

  in my opinion, it's more likely that they believe what they teach instead of being liars who are intentionally deceiving everyone.

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  Vidiot - Don't you mean "...they can both believe they have the 'truth', whilst knowing that it's wrong at the same time"

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  Mark Sanderson Background and Warwick

  by TakeOffTheCrown in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  mark sanderson - here is some insight on his background taken from this site:.

  http://e-watchman.com/congratulations-mark/.

  congratulations, mark!.

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  done4good

  Apart for purely academic purposes, does anyone actually collect WT memorabilia? As an ex-member, I could almost understand it, from an academic perspective. As once a believer, I would have been weirded out by it. These guys must really, really drink some heavy kool-aid before they qualify...even worse than I thought.

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  Suggestions for Governing Body 2.0

  by FusionTheism in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i realize many people on here are very angry at the watchtower society and/or governing body for various reasons, many of which are likely justified, at least to some extent.

  i also can totally understand the cynicism and pessimism i see from certain ones regarding the leaders of the society.. i think one thing that's often forgotten or overlooked, however, is the fact that members of the governing body who've been "in the truth" for 30, 40, 50, 60 years, probably truly believe in this organization.

  in my opinion, it's more likely that they believe what they teach instead of being liars who are intentionally deceiving everyone.

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  done4good

  Cannot happen.

  Understand the nature of authoritarianism, cognitive dissonance, existential anxiety, double binds, etc., and you will understand how they can both believe they have the "truth", and lie to your face at the same time.

  Hint: It is all about self-preservation and fear, which by the way, proportionally speaking is what keeps all believers in suspended belief, despite evidence. The GB are just deeply invested in all of the dependencies on such belief.
  

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  Attention JW lurkers: May JW TV broadcast demonstrates the GB's utter contempt for you (and all non-elite JWs)

  by sir82 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in may's "we will never solicit for money, but now we're going to solicit you for the next hour" broadcast, we kept hearing about all the "facts" that the gb would like for us to know.. hmm...what facts did they leave out?.

  -- $millions have been spent in out-of-court settlements of child abuse cases.

  -- $untold amounts are being spent on legal defense of wt policies related to child abuse.

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  Vidiot - It could become so vast that its sheer mass would cause the it to collapse in on itself in a singularity of stupid.

  Love the physics reference.
  
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  Br. Lett's Slight of Hand

  by Hold Me-Thrill Me in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  nice try brother lett.

  you moved the cups around the table and thought we would not see the slight of hand you were handing us.

  you begged for money but you have failed to show yourself capable of handling the monies already provided .

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  "In actuality, the sale of property in NYC is basically only financing the construction of world headquarters in Warwick"

  Do they really think people are that ignorant? Only those who know nothing of what that real estate in Brooklyn Heights is worth could possibly believe that...
  

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  New video telling the R&F to be generous

  by Splash in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  bro sanderson has a 7 minute video up on their streaming website called "be willing to open your hand".. in it he tells us not to be "tight fisted" or "stingy" and later "regardless of how much we have or how little we have, we'll find something within our power to be able to do".

  we have the responsibility to imitate jehovah's generosity.. there's a bit about giving to one another when we see the need, which is nice, then he drops in how 20 years ago the canada branch committee asked the bethel family for donations to the disaster relief fund, and promptly raised over $10,000.

  i think that's pretty good going for those under a vow of poverty.. "the generous person will prosper" he says, then illustrates this using a made up story.

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  I have not watched it, (and will not unless someone posts it here...)

  Never mind just saw the link...
  
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  New video telling the R&F to be generous

  by Splash in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  bro sanderson has a 7 minute video up on their streaming website called "be willing to open your hand".. in it he tells us not to be "tight fisted" or "stingy" and later "regardless of how much we have or how little we have, we'll find something within our power to be able to do".

  we have the responsibility to imitate jehovah's generosity.. there's a bit about giving to one another when we see the need, which is nice, then he drops in how 20 years ago the canada branch committee asked the bethel family for donations to the disaster relief fund, and promptly raised over $10,000.

  i think that's pretty good going for those under a vow of poverty.. "the generous person will prosper" he says, then illustrates this using a made up story.

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  I have not watched it, (and will not unless someone posts it here..), but I sure sense typical WT passive aggressive manipulation on this one. Surely they would not be so bold as to repeat another over the top Lett style televangelist plea this soon again. Something more toned down just makes sense. I am calling bullshit.

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  40 years on - and still in Damage Control mode!

  by Bungi Bill in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  earlier this morning, i posted off to the the institute of engineers an application for membership as an "engineering associate":.

  - today being just over 40 years since the congregation's retards elders made me abandon my apprenticeship.. (in this part of the world, the pre-1975 hype was taken to that level.

  not being content to prevent young persons attending university, they went one step further and treated with hostility any youngster who would "tie up five years of their lives" by entering into an apprenticeship.

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  done4good

  Great to hear you are doing this later in life!

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  A big hello and thank you

  by iwasblind in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i just wanted to introduce myself and say a big hello to all of my mentally diseased friends.. i say friends because i have been lurking for some time so it feels like home (us lurkers are a bit scared and cautious so it takes a while).

  i won't bore you with too many details, but i am a born in, currently serving as the cobe of a congregation.

  my wife and i have pioneered for the last 10 years and were shaken awake by that ridiculous 15th july 2013 wt about the generation and 1914.. my wife who is much smarter than me has questioned for years.

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  done4good

  Welcome. Take your time, and don't feel pressured to make any uncomfortable changes too quickly.

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  If the Watchtower truly collapsed, how would you deal with your JW relatives?

  by nicolaou in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  imagine the best case scenario.

  the watchtower society implodes from within even making final printed admissions that it is voluntarily dismantling it's mission and legally dissolving the corporations.

  oh happy day!

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  done4good

  I am not so sure an organizational "collapse" will equal JW's beliefs automatically evaporating. The behaviors, (such as shunning), are likely to endure for some time, as these are not only deeply ingrained, but also a product of the cognitive dissonance they experience. While the failure of the religion itself under a purely rational analysis, should make someone rethink their actions and behaviors, human nature simply does not work that way. They were JWs for a reason, and that underlying reasoning, (no matter how flawed), does not necessarily need an organization to exist. That said, I think those already "on the fence", will likely fall on the right side of it.
  

  Those that I care about, (so not everyone), that fall on the "right" side, will find me waiting for them. The others are mere former acquaintances.
  

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