Just look how history is tampered with before our eyes with George Bush lying about his reasons for invading Iraq and half the country believes him.
Not to run off with the thread, but good point.
j
have you ever wondered why jesus did not put anything in writing?
he was here to explain his father to us and teach us how to gain salvation.
wouldn't it have been a good thing to write his instructions down, rather than leave it up to others many years later?
Just look how history is tampered with before our eyes with George Bush lying about his reasons for invading Iraq and half the country believes him.
Not to run off with the thread, but good point.
j
have you ever wondered why jesus did not put anything in writing?
he was here to explain his father to us and teach us how to gain salvation.
wouldn't it have been a good thing to write his instructions down, rather than leave it up to others many years later?
It wasnt my post but I suggest you google it. Well see you back here in about a year after you go through all the information.
I don't need a year, I've been researching this for some time, btw. I don't claim to be Christian in the absolute sense, so I have no bias in terms of what to believe. I just want straight, (non dogmatic, of which Zeroday's was quite), answers.
j
have you ever wondered why jesus did not put anything in writing?
he was here to explain his father to us and teach us how to gain salvation.
wouldn't it have been a good thing to write his instructions down, rather than leave it up to others many years later?
If you dig to deeply, you may find there never was a Jesus. Outside of the bible there really is no evidence. The works of the historian Josephus are contested and doubt has been cast on their validity,particulary his references to Jesus. The bible says when Jesus was resurrected the dead arrose from their graves and walked about. Dont you think an event like that would be recorded in secular history if it really happened?
I don't disagree with that, however even among non-believers, (such as Dawkins, although he is not an expert in this field), the general consensus, is that he did exist. The question seems to be more of, "who was he?".
j
have you ever wondered why jesus did not put anything in writing?
he was here to explain his father to us and teach us how to gain salvation.
wouldn't it have been a good thing to write his instructions down, rather than leave it up to others many years later?
Because he did not exist.
Prove that point, please.
j
have you ever wondered why jesus did not put anything in writing?
he was here to explain his father to us and teach us how to gain salvation.
wouldn't it have been a good thing to write his instructions down, rather than leave it up to others many years later?
Jesus did refer to himself as "The Word". His emphasis was more towards teaching by example. The current emphasis on the bible being the "word" of God is actually misplaced in Christian theology.
j
historically, the bible is a secondary support for christians and jews.
i was raised roman catholic, and our tradition and practices included the bible, but it was not a key centerpiece of our faith.
the jewish side of my family likewise have a rich history of tradition and faith that is lived, and not pinned down to every word in the bible.
Jim, LT, Lil, excellent information!
j
it is a fallacy that the early christians weaved the tale of a dying and rising god-man on the loom of mystery religions.
the idea of the dying-rising god as a parallel to the christian concept of the death and resurrection of christ was popularized by james frazer in the golden bough, first published in 1906. scholar edwin yamauchi (1974; easter: myth, hallucination, or history?
) has observed that, although frazer marshaled many parallels, the foundation was very fragile and has been discredited by a host of scholars since frazers ideas were at the height of their popularity in the 1960s.
Very, very well said, Moggy!
j
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do you ever recall when a magazine, book, pamphlet or tract made you start to question .
or doubt the written material?
The Revelation book had many things in it that I questioned. It mentioned many particulars, such as the Anglo/American empire being represented by a sheep with horns, that I would ask myself, "how do they KNOW that?". There are many things like that in the book.
In the broader sense, for many years I had a difficult time reading the literature due to its 7th grade readability.
j
it is a fallacy that the early christians weaved the tale of a dying and rising god-man on the loom of mystery religions.
the idea of the dying-rising god as a parallel to the christian concept of the death and resurrection of christ was popularized by james frazer in the golden bough, first published in 1906. scholar edwin yamauchi (1974; easter: myth, hallucination, or history?
) has observed that, although frazer marshaled many parallels, the foundation was very fragile and has been discredited by a host of scholars since frazers ideas were at the height of their popularity in the 1960s.
Everything is relative?? Surely one can prove whether or not there was or was not a man called Christ who walked the earth 2000 years ago.
I never said everything is relative, you've managed to read into what I said too much. Secondly, there is much debate as to whether Jesus actually existed or not. Do some research.
j
as an elder, i knew a lot of things that happened in the congregation, including "secret sins".
what i also knew was that some persons were quite good at being sneaky----especially the teens.
years after my daughter stopped hanging around certain friends and she was in her 20's, she told me little juicy tidbits of what some of her best friends regularly got away with.
There were lots of things, but the probably the worst was a brother in a neighboring hall who got trying to steal an ATM, (made the news and all). Didn't pull it off. Got nothing more than public reproof.
Oh yeah, while on the theft topic, I thought of another one in a different hall, (even better). A brother that I knew, (I went to college with him actually), quit his IT job and began working for UPS, (never knew why). As it turns out, he began to run some kind of a theft ring, by stealing packeges from UPS, and actually having them dropped off at this elder's business, (for the record, the elder was NOT in on it), and selling them on ebay presumably. Anyway he managed to pull at least one other brother into this thing. The elder whose business these packeges were being dropped off at began to get suspicious when the FBI came to his business, and started questioning him. He proves his innocence, but now UPS brother is in trouble. He gets df'd and goes to jail. The accomplice brother gets private reproof, and no jail.
j