Excellent post, refiners fire. Thank you.
BTW, isnt an innuendo an italian suppository? ; )
Dino
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by refiners fire inanybody studied propaganda?.
ive got a very interesting book here called "propaganda" by jacques ellul.
french master of propaganda analysis.. on page 56 he speaks of a presentation technique called "innuendo".
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It's just dawned on me...
by Billygoat in...that jw's have a hard time forgiving others because they themselves are rarely forgiven for their own sins.
according to their beliefs jehovah keeps track of every detail of your life...good and bad.
that even if you are humble and repent of your sins, that there is still no true forgiveness until the new system.
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Hi Andi. I just wanted to say thanks for sharing your experiences. So many here can relate to what you are going through. You would have thought I had just shot the pope when I first told my mother that I didnt agree with the WT yarn of the seven trumpets of Revelation coinciding with those resolutions adopted in 1922 - 1928. My mother and I are at the same impasse as you and your father. I feel your pain. One thing, I bet he read that e-mail before deleting it. If my children were to take the time to voice concerns about something this important, I would at least read it no matter how many times we had discussed it. Keep on sending them, my dear!!
Love, Dino
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Things I Would Like To See Before I Die.....
by hillary_step injan haugland and you know in a two man bob-sleigh team.. prisca and kent deeply in love.. alanf in a clerical collar.. stephanus breast-feeding fred hall.. farkel emptying his swear box.. joelbear in a turkish prison.
the oldhippie a happy hippy.. josephus having afternoon tea and crumpets with ian paisley.. englishman with hepatitis.. theo jaracz in a see-through pink negligee with matching slippers.. uuhh...skip the last one..... .
lets see - who have i missed....... hs
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Lighten up my friend. Just a joke. That was posted in the same vein as your original post.It is very obvious there are no hard feelings there and I am glad. Nuff' said?
I was mainly interested in the mention of the db, and that is the only reason I posted in the first place. But its really no biggie.
Dino
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Things I Would Like To See Before I Die.....
by hillary_step injan haugland and you know in a two man bob-sleigh team.. prisca and kent deeply in love.. alanf in a clerical collar.. stephanus breast-feeding fred hall.. farkel emptying his swear box.. joelbear in a turkish prison.
the oldhippie a happy hippy.. josephus having afternoon tea and crumpets with ian paisley.. englishman with hepatitis.. theo jaracz in a see-through pink negligee with matching slippers.. uuhh...skip the last one..... .
lets see - who have i missed....... hs
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Island Woman and Hilary loving each other again.
BTW what is the "C" site?
Dino
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Zev's UN/WTS Scandal Web Site - Part 2
by hawkaw inhttp://www.geocities.com/plowbitch69/.
over 1,440 hits in a few weeks..
woooooohoooooo!!!!!
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Hi Joseph. It is Sunday morning here and I am just able to get back with you. First off, I wanted to apologize for the direction our discussion went last night. After I signed off I felt really bad. I had taken unneccesary umbrage to your view of our being overzealous in our pursuit of this mess.
Down through history certain men who have jousted over different things have developed a mutual respect and friendship. I hope we can do the same.
Your last question was an excellent one and I will get back to you on that one. Im sorry I wont have time today as my sister-in-law is flying in.
Once again, please accept my cyber hand of friendship.
Dino
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Zev's UN/WTS Scandal Web Site - Part 2
by hawkaw inhttp://www.geocities.com/plowbitch69/.
over 1,440 hits in a few weeks..
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Well JA, first of all, why dont you ask any of the JWs here whether they will be a combatant at the the wild beast' destruction? All of them will tell you "Why No, that is Jehovah's war"
You want more proof from the WT publications?
The WT book "Revelation-Its Grand Climax at hand" states on page 281 paragraph 12,"What though of God's servants here on earth? The John class will have no active part in the fighting at Armageddon; neither will its loyal companions, those peoples out of all nations who have been streaming to Jehovah's spiritual house of worship. Those peaceable humans have already beaten swords into plowshares. (Isaiah 2:2-4)
Further in the paragraph it says,
AS SPECTATORS, (emphasis mine) God's people on earth will be most interested.
Copyright 1988 Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania
All rights reserved.
The "John class" is what they refer to as the "anointed remnant" here on earth at the forefront of the work. The "loyal companions" mentioned are the "great crowd" which comprise over 99% of Jehovah's Witnesses.I hope you got that. Once again, research what you say before you make an ass of yourself.
Why do I have to answer your question, thread-killer, you didnt address half of ours.
Im going to take my wife out to dinner now. So nighty night.
Hang in there hawk, debate boy will try to twist you in circles, it doesnt matter if he is not right just so he can save face.
Dino
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Zev's UN/WTS Scandal Web Site - Part 2
by hawkaw inhttp://www.geocities.com/plowbitch69/.
over 1,440 hits in a few weeks..
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June 1 1988 Watchtower outlines the way they teach that Jehovah and NOT the WT organization defeats the purple beast.
It says:
"The existence of the United Nations and the effort that so many people have put into it, shows how deeply people of the earth realize the need for a change. That change will come in a different and more effective way. Which way?PERMANENT RULERSHIP (subheading)
Remember that the Bible says there would be only seven successive "kings" or world powers. No major power is mentioned after that. The Bible even says that the temporary "eighth king...goes off into destruction."-Revelation 17:10,11.But the Bible also says that there is a better hope. It promises that something else will bring the peace, justice, and united world that people so desperately seek. It says: "And the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin,... It will crush and put an end to all these(failing human)(parentheses theirs) kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite."-Daniel 2:44'"
Copy 1988 Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania All rights reserved
That was on page 28 paragraphs 3-5.The society applies the eighth king to be the UN. That is the steps it has always said would take place in Jehovah crushing the UN.
Not my opinion. Ask any JW and they will tell you the same steps because they have been taught that in the WT for years and years.
Your drawing a comparison to Jehovah using the WT to accomplish the preaching is circular and has nothing to do with this.
As for your assertions that the WT gave up its affiliation because they were unaware of all the conditions under which they were granted status as a NGO, that is your opinion and it even sounds like the WT party line.And not too popular around here. But even more is coming, old boy.As for people heading for the exits, that was hyperbole, and yes, wishful thinking.
Once again, through zealous work we have shown where the WT has lied to their flock AND the UN. Satan loves that, no need to lie to him.
And finally if you think we have created a "tempest in a teapot" out of this UN thing, once again that is your opinion and it doesnt affect me at all. Once again it sounds like the WT party line.
Dino
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Zev's UN/WTS Scandal Web Site - Part 2
by hawkaw inhttp://www.geocities.com/plowbitch69/.
over 1,440 hits in a few weeks..
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Well JA, I guess we are at an impasse. It is obvious that you will never the true mindset of the average JW.
Why do you think that the WT slid quietly out the back door of the UN? Why not just describe the scenario to the flock through the pages of the Watchtower and Awake using the same reasoning you just put forth? Because there would be a mass exodus for the exit. You see, the WT could NEVER say that their machinations were really just a "tactic to defeat the purple beast". They have ALWAYS said that Jehovah would do so. But really by their actions they have shown that they no more rely on Jehovah than Adolph Hitler did. Once again, not having the mindset of someone who has been associated with the organization, I dont really expect you to understand. The vast majority of posters have been adversely affected by the WT.
Having read your posts, I realize that you think that lying chicanery and duplicity is okay if the situation warrants it. No wonder you cannot see their hypocrisy if you think as "custodians of the worldwide organization they have an obligation to do whatever it takes to advance its interests." I dont view things that way. And that my friend is why we are at an impasse.
The earlier poster "refiners fire" had been associated with JWs before and therefore understood what we were trying to say. I know that you are an intelligent person and yet you refuse to reason. I also realize that it is important for you to have the "last word". Maybe to salvage an original post filled with platitudes? So go ahead. I will give you another chance. What is your motive in posting here? If you say altruism and a selfless regard for others, we all know that is a crock. If you dont take the time to study the harm done by this cult, you dont care about me. So go ahead, have the last word, but the vast majority here know that you dont have a clue about your audience.
Dino
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Zev's UN/WTS Scandal Web Site - Part 2
by hawkaw inhttp://www.geocities.com/plowbitch69/.
over 1,440 hits in a few weeks..
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What do you want? A photograph of a governing body member hugging Kofi Annan, empirical boy?
You still havent addressed any of the points in either my posts or Path's, and cant stand up to Zev's challenge.
I hope you dont turn out to be just another pedant and I hope you can be reasonable.
You say you want a smoking gun?
It's obvious that you havent even read the November 22 '98 Awake! which is posted on the WatchTower Observer's website.
There is nothing wrong with a honest request for proof.
So go read that carefully. Still want "SOME indication that some member or members of the Watchtower governing body secretly embraced the mission of the United Nations, but continued to teach that it was the purple beast"?
Go look at that document in the now famous photograph of Eleanor Roosevelt. That is the charter of the UN which is the "Universal Declaration of Human Rights". The article is full of praise for the UN's efforts in the field of human rights.Now click on this link and see for yourself how that article entitled, A"Long Job Finished" was submitted to the UN for it's approval before it was published as "meat in due season" from the "faithful and discreet servant". Oh, and by the way, that article had to be approved by a committee under the direct oversight of a governing body member.
< http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=16337&site=3
Still not satisfied? There is more coming fella, I can promise you that.
Think you are going to stop our bulldog tenacity?
Think again.When you opened your post to Zev you said, "What do you mean, 'the Watchtower advertized for the UN with its articles'?"
One of the definitions of advertise is, "To generally make known".
What part of that do you not understand?
Go and read the September 8th 1991 Awake!
That definition is what old "Judge Rutherford" meant when he commanded the Bible Students to "Advertise, Advertise, Advertise, the King and His Kingdom".Sounds like you have got some homework to do.
Dino
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DFW Posters - dinner plans this Sunday night?
by Billygoat insome of us have talked about getting together for dinner this sunday night.
this is not the official north texas apostofest, but everyone is welcome to come.. anyway, we decided sushi would be fun, so i've recommended my favorite sushi bar.
if you aren't into sushi, please come anyway.
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Hey Six, Hope to meet you too.
Dino