Did Ray Franz believe that end would come in 1975...I am asking that because my JW friend said, that he listened to his talk few years before 1975 and that Ray was very clear about 1975...my JW friend is blaming Ray and those who were d/f in 1980 for 1975 fiasco and because they were d/f, he doesnt see any problem with 1975...Thanx for your comments
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Ray Franz and 1975
by izobcenec indid ray franz believe that end would come in 1975...i am asking that because my jw friend said, that he listened to his talk few years before 1975 and that ray was very clear about 1975...my jw friend is blaming ray and those who were d/f in 1980 for 1975 fiasco and because they were d/f, he doesnt see any problem with 1975...thanx for your comments
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Greg Stafford's debate DVD
by Cygnus ini received my greg stafford vs. rob bowman debate dvd today -- "is jesus god?
" -- and let me tell you, greg kicks some serious trinitarian butt!
also included is an interview with greg where he talks about his relationship with jws and the watchtower society.
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Good point, Hamas
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WT info service hacked!
by izobcenec insure looks like it...check it out.
http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/.
hacked by pshychophobia crew from brasil...
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izobcenec
well not really...wt info service is a site run by former jw rado vleugel :/
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WT info service hacked!
by izobcenec insure looks like it...check it out.
http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/.
hacked by pshychophobia crew from brasil...
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izobcenec
Sure looks like it...check it out
http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/hacked by Pshychophobia crew from Brasil...
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Did a Russian JW try to bribe to get JWs accepted as religious community?
by Dogpatch ini wonder if this is going on in other european or eastern-block countries where jws are not liked too well.
this document states that a jw was imprisoned for trying to bribe officials into accepting his congregation into the religious community.
the quote is number 48 in the long list after the introduction at:.
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Before judging, you should also read line 49 in that report:
49.Nazilya Veliyeva, Arif Babayev and Rovshah Nariman ogly Mursalov, members of the same congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses, were reportedly called for interrogation and beaten around 16 November 1997. Rovshan Mursalov was allegedly beaten for refusing to sign a statement prepared by the police, and sought medical treatment for a burst eardrum sustained during the beatings. Eleven Jehovah's Witnesses have reportedly lodged complaints of ill-treatment with the Office of the Prosecutor.
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Fooled, Controlled, and Abused by the watchtower.
by frankiespeakin ini first got the "trufh" when i was 19. knowing little about the bible being a catholic, i was searching for god, and was too trusting and too naive to see that i was being brought under watchtower mind control.. for 29 years, i let the watchtower tell me how to think, tell me how to interpret scriptures, and that was painful for me, coming out of mind control, is an unpleasant experience, dealing with cognitive dissonance, having your whole life turned upside down,.
when i found out the watchtower is a false prophet, i warned my family the best i could.
and for that i was rewarded by the watchtower bible track society with disfellowshipment, with subsequent shunning by many close family members and close friends.. .
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Heh, sounds like a declaration of war!
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JWD Maps Europe
by Lady Lee inand one for the folks in europe.
i know you're out there.. please post the country you are in.
i will do my best to get you as close to where you live as possible - well in the same country.. as you can see we have a ways to go.
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izobcenec
Slovenia here!
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Was Governing Body Member Gerritt Losch Ever Disfellowshipped?
by minimus ina rumor has come around, saying current gb member losch, was df'd.
as anyone heard of this??
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this is what I found about Gerrit
Gerrit Lösch (1941-)
Gerrit Lösch was born in 1941 (in Austria?).
He was pioneer since November 1, 1961 and was circuit and district overseer in Austria between 1963 and 1976.
In 1965/1966 he was invited to the 41th Gilead class.
In 1967 he married to Merete and sometime after that they entered to the Bethel in Vienna, Austria, where he stayed 14 years.
In 1993/1994 was called to the world headquarters of Jehovah's Witnesses in Brooklyn, where he worked for the Executive Committee and Service Committee.
Lösch knows well the Watchtower activities in Europe and speaks German, English, Rumanian and Italian.
On July 1, 1994 he was appointed to the Governing Body.
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WOULD YOU PREACH TO A DOG???
by minimus inthis little gem is from the watchtower, january 15, 2000...."in el salvador,one man tied his vicious dog in front of the door whenever he saw jehovah's witnesses nearby.
the man would wait for the witnesses to move on, and then he would bring the dog back into the house.
the brothers were never able to speak to the man.
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It was printed in the Watchtower, so it must be true.
Very funny, minimus
I have heard about theocraticly trained dogs, that help blind JW's preach the good news...
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Was Governing Body Member Gerritt Losch Ever Disfellowshipped?
by minimus ina rumor has come around, saying current gb member losch, was df'd.
as anyone heard of this??
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can someone verify this?