Posts by Ade

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Why JW's know so much about the Bible

by Honesty in

a jw explains how their group can tell jesus returned 'invisibly' on another discussion board:you are right that you would probably need to be one of jehovah's witnesses to see all the things that we see.

jehovah's witnesses study the bible in ways that a lot of other people don't.

we dig into it, read it, understand and see meaning in scriptures that for a lot of people don't make much sense.. .

Ade

Just before i DSA'd myself , i spoke to a sister who is in her 90's. ( she still speaks to me lol ).
i said i was leaving because i had been reading the bible, she replied to me "Yes Adrian thats something we dont do enough of here"
i think that statement coming from someone whos been a witness for over 80 years says it all.

All the best -Ade

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Joe Hovah and his SEVENTEEN Commandments! Not Merely Ten!

by Mistah MOJO in

3. thou shalt not take the name of the lord thy god in vain..

6. thou shalt not kill..

8. thou shalt not steal..

Ade

Hi Mojo,
point taken , and ive been more than jabbed at before lol , i agree "man" has had his mucky hands in the bible, i enjoyed the book "misquoting Jesus" by Ehrman , explaining in a simplistic fashion textual critiscm and adjustments made by man to the bible.I also love the bible and have a deep belief in God .At the end of the day for me, I dont profess to know everything/anything i just let my faith ( not men )guide me. the only way any of us will know whats what is when we leave this life behind and SEE what is what.

God bless you and yours
Ade

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Joe Hovah and his SEVENTEEN Commandments! Not Merely Ten!

by Mistah MOJO in

3. thou shalt not take the name of the lord thy god in vain..

6. thou shalt not kill..

8. thou shalt not steal..

Ade

This allowed Moses ( who was constantly in communication with God ) to present the commandments with some modification and updating of the situation in light of their pending entrance into the land of Canaan, Oh, that explains it. Sounds like something I would hear from the FDS regarding changing doctrine. interstingly no you wouldnt hear this from the FDS , because there was no "change of doctrine" and no commandment re-written / designed that conflicted with the other commandments. its fine for us to comment, but not without reading fully and acknowledging that upon which we comment. all the best -Ade

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Joe Hovah and his SEVENTEEN Commandments! Not Merely Ten!

by Mistah MOJO in

3. thou shalt not take the name of the lord thy god in vain..

6. thou shalt not kill..

8. thou shalt not steal..

Ade

hi, "most of the faithful will not accept that" - its true that i personally wont accept that. however i also wont throw mindless accusations and mockery at others for their beliefs. May whoever you believes bless you , bless you But i will stay with my God all the best -Ade

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Confrontation - is it for Christians?

by jgnat in

agapa's quiet admission to "imperfect men" in the congregation inspired me to finish a small bible study on confrontation, and how the early church handled disputes.. (romans 12:18 rv) if it be possible, as much as in you lieth, be at peace with all men.

(2 cor 13:11 cev) good-by, my friends.

do better and pay attention to what i have said.

Ade

To Auldsoul

"Within a congregation, disputes can be handled the way Jesus recommended as long as there is no need for a publisher to chastise an elder or higher-up. And if you have issues with doctrines you are welcome to ask but you CANNOT hotly dispute the matter. You are instructed to accept the answer given or keep your mouth shut about your concerns."

Spot on what i experienced .
all the very best
Ade

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Joe Hovah and his SEVENTEEN Commandments! Not Merely Ten!

by Mistah MOJO in

3. thou shalt not take the name of the lord thy god in vain..

6. thou shalt not kill..

8. thou shalt not steal..

Ade

Hi,
given the fact that the wording for the fourth and the tenth commandments differ here in Deuteronomy, how shall we explain this if these words were written directly by GOD while Moses was on the mount ?? One would expect the wording to agree perfectly with that of Exodus 20:8-12, 17

The major differences between the two accounts of the TEN Commandments are these (1)"Remember the sabbath day" of Exodus 20:8 is replaced in Deuteronomy 5:12 with "Observe the sabbath day" (2) Deuteronomy twice adds to the fifth commandment "as the LORD you God has commanded you" in keeping with the exhortation characteristics of this book;
(3) Deuteronomy 5:14 expands "nor your animals" with "so that your manservant and maidservant may rest, as you do";(4)the grounding of the sabbath command in creation in Exodus 20:11 is absent here, For Deuteronomy appeals to Israels deliverance from the bondage in Egypt;(5)so that you may live long" has added to it in Deuteronomy "and that it may go well with you";(6)the ninth commandment had "false" in the Deuteronomy law instead of the (literally) "mendacious testimony" of Exodus 20:16, (7) the tenth commandment of deuteronomy places "your neighbours wife" first while Exodus 20:17 has "your neighbours house" first, (8) the word "covet", which appears twice in Exodus 20:17, is replaced the second time with a different verb in Deuteronomy 5:21 , "set your desire on "; and (9) Deuteronomy adds "or land" to the tenth commandment in keeping with its more elaborate style and anticipation of ENTERING THE LAND OF CANAAN.

The fact that the two accounts differ is an indication that one of the two is not a verbatim presentation of the decalouge as it was written by "the finger of God"on Mount Sinai . There is nothing in a high view of inspiration that would require to a verbatim report, but given the fact that the decalogue is said to have come in some direct manner from the hand of God, one would assume that at least one of them was a faithful record of that transaction. The most reasonable assumption is that the text of Exodus is the original one and that Moses restatement in Deuteronomy is somewhat free. This allowed Moses ( who was constantly in communication with God ) to present the commandments with some modification and updating of the situation in light of their pending entrance into the land of Canaan, While still adhering closely to the original form. In Fact, these differences are very slight and of very little consequence except as viewed against the challenges that would present themselves whence entering into the land of Canaan.Deuteronomy also had more of an exhortical character of writing to it along with special attention given to women taking priority over land/property.

please note i am not wishing to stand for or against anyone, i trust the word of God only, but according to the logical person the explanation laid here seems to cover your questionings to the fulness of necessity.
please excuse my awful typing
God bless you all
Ade

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Confrontation - is it for Christians?

by jgnat in

agapa's quiet admission to "imperfect men" in the congregation inspired me to finish a small bible study on confrontation, and how the early church handled disputes.. (romans 12:18 rv) if it be possible, as much as in you lieth, be at peace with all men.

(2 cor 13:11 cev) good-by, my friends.

do better and pay attention to what i have said.

Ade

when i had a problem with an elders timekeeping, daughters dress sense, ignorance and gossip spreading, i took it to the other elders ( after speaking to him concerning it on two occasions ). After this i was not officially deemed an apostate, however everyone said i was in the wrong for speaking out against an elder ?? ( maybe they are like the pope - perfect ?? and must not be spoken against ). months after i refused to go to the book group because of his terrible attitude ( and his family's ) nothing was sorted for us to get into another group , no one visited etc. finally i took it to the PO a man known for not liking confrontation. He appeared on his own to see me, Why you may ask, because then there were no witnesses to what had been said and he need not confront the other elder.

Instead it was fine to keep saying "Jehovah will sort it out in his own time" regardless of my family's so called "Faith" going down the drain ( which i since have discovered - is a blind hope instigated by money hoarding vultures who abuse GODS word for their personal gain - leading many a true person astray along the way )

Had the matter been sorted quickly. And a meeting ( confrontation ) ( which i requested ) been had between myself another party and the elder in question, everything could have been sorted out. fortunately this was not to happen and to be one of the things that led me to the understanding "elders" are just men with titles who find it impossible to accept their shortcomings and act as a"brood of vipers" covering each others backs in times of "need" but never confronting each other .

That elder continues such a vile path to this very day, as no one dares to speak against "Gods appointed ones" we must just sit back be placid brothers and sisters and allow the elders to counsel you but never you utter a word in return lest you are working against GOD.

although this is not totally relevant to the post it does give a good understanding of how they can abuse their own system to avoid confrontation, the trouble is when this kind of avoidance of the problem takes place eventually all things come to a head, and thats when people can see the truth about the "truth" and its "leaders, brothers and sisters"

GOD bless you all
Ade

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Confrontation - is it for Christians?

by jgnat in

agapa's quiet admission to "imperfect men" in the congregation inspired me to finish a small bible study on confrontation, and how the early church handled disputes.. (romans 12:18 rv) if it be possible, as much as in you lieth, be at peace with all men.

(2 cor 13:11 cev) good-by, my friends.

do better and pay attention to what i have said.

Ade

Confrontation is indeed for Christians, Take Jesus example when being tempted by Satan did he stand there and ignore it all saying "oh well" no he answered wisely, as on many other occasions with many others, especially pharisees and sadducees.

A confusion lies within people causing many to believe that confrontation means, either, a blazing arguement or a literal battle. I believe this to be a time were a true Christian cane shine by showing Jesus qualities. Not becoming heated up, however not covering over the problem, approaching it with wisdom, understanding and love can actually strengthen the relationship between the two sides.

If the aforesaid is put into practice then the next time these individuals face a problem / difference they understand that talking and listening can bring about the desired result.

However the scripture you quoted ( see below ) gives us a true picture and another understanding, a kind of "when its possible" be at peace with all. For not all want to be at peace with us.
(Romans 12:18 RV) If it be possible, as much as in you lieth, be at peace with all men.

GOD bless you all
Ade

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The Jesus Papers

by Alpheta in

readers here may find this of interest, from the bar companion (biblical archaeological review) i received in email today (i'm a subscriber to the magazine).

it is a "preview" of a review of a new book.

http://www.bib-arch.org/bswb_bar/bswbba3205review.html.

Ade

if its really a recipe for chili sauce, please have him post it to me ( at least i can stop pickling my chili crops then ) . these people are whacked , although some say we are for reading the bible

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If there is no hell what is this?

by Rooster in

"but a certain man was rich, and he used to deck himself with purple and linen, enjoying himself from day to day with magnificence.

but a certain beggar named laz arus used to be put at his gate, full of ulcers 21

and desiring to be filled with the things dropping from the table of the rich man.

Ade

Hi it would seem that no one has specifically answered the asked question, this does seem to point to a "literal" Hell ( as mentioned, why would Jesus say something to confuse his followers ?? ). Remember many the apocryphal books deal with a literal hell. the wording in the "new wonky translation" is probably different to that of decent bibles, you could try using thompsons chain bible for further references, or "Green's hebrew/english/Greek coded with strongs numbers" for a better understanding of the words used.

-Ade