Posts by Ade

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Aftermath of DA letter-what to expect?

by exwitless in

i already posted this question in the middle of my previous topic, but i think i buried my question there.

i would like to hear some more experiences from those who da'd themselves regarding the immediate "aftermath" (specifically with the elders).

neither my husband nor i have any jw family.

Ade

Expect nothing my friend ,
which is what you have always received from them and always will, except now you dont have to stress yourself not feeling good enough because you havent done enough hours etc.expect to start seeing your bible for what it truly says, that we sad humans could never please God when we were trying to please hime through underlining our watchtowers, knocking peoples doors and annoying them, and listening to others mens opinion of what the bible means rather than using the free will God lovingly gave you.

I suppose at times if you see friends you had in the truth you will miss them, however this tends to pass after they have treated you as though you are dead for a few months.

If you dont get a reply go and ask them if they received your letter, thats why i went in and handed it personally to two elders, who then tried to "correct my thinking" after seeing they were engaged in an unwinnable game they said goodbye. None have spoken since.

Has God left me ??

I read my bible more than i ever did when i went to their "holy gatherings", i am calmer than ever as regards getting irate etc. And i now see the true identity of Jesus and his role in saving us.

God bless you and yours i truly hope it goes well for you .
Ade

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Class-Questions for JW's

by Emma in

a woman i work with is going to a class at her church on how to talk to jw's.

i told her one question to ask when they come knocking is if jesus is their mediator since most dubs don't know he isn't according to their own teachings.. any other simple questions one might ask?.

Ade

Hi,
The help you are seeking can be found by searching previous posts, however one of the greatest easily ( i feel ) proven points is to do with the beginnings of the "truth" itself.

Ask them why when Jesus states "he will be with us until the end of the age ( system of things )" that the so called truth only began when Charles Tazes Russell appeared on the scene ?? They may answer by saying " ahh but the truth was passed through other religions and groups along the way" say to them , " oh i see , so the religions/cults who worshipped the trinity, crosses and believed in hellfire were actually the truth"

Then also ask them that if the truth was "passed on through religions" why Charles taze russell said his information came only from angels and not from any religious group at all.

with this simple approach you show them up to be what they are , misguided and sad people living under the law of their oppressors ( the GB ).

Hope this helps a little
God bless you and yours
Ade

( if they say they will return with answers to these questions please contact me and i will explain even further )

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Class-Questions for JW's

by Emma in

a woman i work with is going to a class at her church on how to talk to jw's.

i told her one question to ask when they come knocking is if jesus is their mediator since most dubs don't know he isn't according to their own teachings.. any other simple questions one might ask?.

Ade

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Are "Apostates" jumping the gun with their info on the WT to make a case?

by booker-t in

i take some of the things apostates say with a "grain of salt" because many times i think they embellish the truth to make the wt look bad to make their case.

for example i have for years heard that the wt uses "satanic" images in their artwork but i have yet to see any proof of these accusations.

i have heard that jw's no longer practice "disfellowshipping" but my teenage niece was recently "disfellowshipped".

Ade

I agree that many of the so called apostates become bitter against the org and some even create fanciful stories of certain happenings within the org in an attempt to bring shame upon it.

However the organization's changes in doctrine over the years have proven their truths cannot be truths, for indeed truths cannot and are not subject to change. So regardless of the inventiveness of a few over imaginative minds ( apostates ) the witnesses guided by their imaginary heavenly class and "board of directors" are still misguided abusers of bible pricinples and have exposed theirselves as such.

Hencefoth the U.N etc matters not, for evil is as evil does

My plan is leave them to it, show those who will discuss the bible with you the truths from it, showing why people such as witnessess who are living by laws and doctrines of men cannot be right and have not fully accepted the grace and love by which we are to be saved.

God bless you and yours -Ade

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I just got Children by: J.F. Rutherford 1941 off Ebay

by jrjr4189 in

i ordered it and started reading it because i was intriqued by ray franz's comments on it in crisis of conscience.

it so propagandaish its ridiculous.

it even has an index in the back that can point you to topics such as ... marriage (why not to).... and last day's.

Ade

you can also purchase all the books on disc from ebay

Ade

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I just got Children by: J.F. Rutherford 1941 off Ebay

by jrjr4189 in

i ordered it and started reading it because i was intriqued by ray franz's comments on it in crisis of conscience.

it so propagandaish its ridiculous.

it even has an index in the back that can point you to topics such as ... marriage (why not to).... and last day's.

Ade

Hi,
Ive read them all ( literally )
some of the more humorous ones tell you Leviathan is a steam train , God lives on a star , black people are an accident and not as good as whites, all of which can be dragged up to show witnesses what a complete load of tat there religion comes from. 1914 ( from ctr meauring pyramid corridors ) you can go on and on.

The strange thing is when i was really into the "truth" i lappe dup these books thinking wow this os really inspired, inevitably though these very books led me to understand and see the way in which the "light" has shone brighter and then dimmed then gone brighter again etc.

get the finished mystery if you want a good laugh - its better than most joke books

all the best
God bless you and yours
Ade

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Great Scripture regarding the Society in the Message Bible!

by esw1966 in

i was reading the message bible and i loved what it had to say!

as i read it i thought, "wow, that hits it right on the nail!".

galations 4: midway through (my copy doesn't show the verses) - 'those heretical teachers go to great lengths to flatter you, but their motives are rotten.

Ade

thats supposed to say *Christian* in my above post lol not *chritian* sorry its early morning here ( thats my excuse and i'm sticking to it lol )

all the best - Ade

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Great Scripture regarding the Society in the Message Bible!

by esw1966 in

i was reading the message bible and i loved what it had to say!

as i read it i thought, "wow, that hits it right on the nail!".

galations 4: midway through (my copy doesn't show the verses) - 'those heretical teachers go to great lengths to flatter you, but their motives are rotten.

Ade

The Holman Chritian standard bible has a nice rendering of this verse;
"They are enthusiastic about you, but not for any good.Instead they want to isolate you so that you will be enthusiastic about them"

All the best and God bless you
Ade

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Who will cry PEACE & SECURITY?

by artcritic in

who will cry peace & security?.

in the emphatic diaglott is says "when they say"peace & safety" then sudden distruction impends over them, just as labor - pangs on her who is pregnant and shall by no means escape.

" the greek word is feminine.

Ade

it is simply to show a quiet time, where non are expecting any event , possibly even a time when the JW's have completely changed their doctrine and say "oh we misinterpreted the scriptures, Christ wont be here in the near future" then suddenly .

then as an eagle upon a field mouse, as an elder upon an apostate, unexpectingly the end will come.

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Enoch

by Ade in

i havent really had a chance to ask anyone about my favourite book - enoch, the book that apparently the church fathers tried to "remove".

has anyone else here read the book of enoch, or the book of the secrets of enoch.if so what is your opinion, i found it to bear many similarities to revelation in certain places .

also including a history of the angels who caused much mischief in noah's day is fascinating , references to the son of man in such detail and the concept of different heavens is interesting as well.

Ade

HI,
I havent read that one yet however i will do so before the week is out.

i agree , if these books are indeed true and were included in the bible most religions would fall apart.

God bless you and yours
Ade