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if an atheist leads good life with high moral standards, because he choice to do so and thinks for logic it is a good thing, does it not mean much more then when a theist does the same, because his gods tells him to do it?
what's your thoughs on this?
You don't think children understand right from wrong? I knew at a very young age what obey mom and dad meant!
As has been stated, the ability to obey does not imply that a child understands the concepts of right and wrong which might underly the command.
To find more about how morality develops in a person, try searching on google for 'moral development', lots of research out there.
i've wanted to scan this issue as soon as i could get my hands on it, so here it is.
some of the pictures are little screwed up because of the scan resolution, but it's all readable.
hope you enjoy.. .
Interesting thing about the whale picture is that whales sometimes possess atavistic hind-
limbs, and a highly probable evolutionary path has been identified for whales.
i've wanted to scan this issue as soon as i could get my hands on it, so here it is.
some of the pictures are little screwed up because of the scan resolution, but it's all readable.
hope you enjoy.. .
Playing catch-up with the ID debate...
Page 22, Kenneth Lloyd Tanaka (who he?) has the following pull-quote:
Something Cannot Come From Nothing
Errr.... ok, so that's his religion over then! No something-from-nothing = no god.
after seeing the latest 607 thread, i wonder whether it might be a good idea to start a site that collects this kind of information (if it doesn't already exist), similar to what talkorigins.org does for evolution.
maybe call it www.talkwitnesses.org or something... and it's purpose would be something like (adapted from talkorigins' description): .
the talk witnesses archive is a collection of articles and essays.
It could easily be built using a collaborative wiki, allowing (vetted) people to add pages themselves.
after seeing the latest 607 thread, i wonder whether it might be a good idea to start a site that collects this kind of information (if it doesn't already exist), similar to what talkorigins.org does for evolution.
maybe call it www.talkwitnesses.org or something... and it's purpose would be something like (adapted from talkorigins' description): .
the talk witnesses archive is a collection of articles and essays.
After seeing the latest 607 thread, I wonder whether it might be a good idea to start a site that collects this kind of information (if it doesn't already exist), similar to what talkorigins.org does for evolution.
Maybe call it www.talkwitnesses.org or something... and it's purpose would be something like (adapted from talkorigins' description):
The Talk Witnesses Archive is a collection of articles and essays. The primary reason for this archive's existence is to provide mainstream responses to the beliefs and frequently rebutted assertions of Jehovah's Witnesses.
just got this link sent to me by my sister in law and i just keeping staring at it trying to decide where to start.
i know that arguing with a jw is like throwing miracle wheat in the wind...but i want a comeback!!!
http://www.2001translation.com/587_or_607.htm
This thread is great! It's interesting to see how these WT arguments can be so effectively dismantled.
Do you believe God's word the Bible or the conclusions of secular historians based on Egyptian records?
Err... I'll take option 2.
Once you decide that then you can also decide do I believe the Bible based 607 or the conclusions made by secular historians that 587 is correct?
Err... option 2 again please.
What do I win?
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if an atheist leads good life with high moral standards, because he choice to do so and thinks for logic it is a good thing, does it not mean much more then when a theist does the same, because his gods tells him to do it?
what's your thoughs on this?
If a sky-god has implanted the concepts of good and evil into the human psyche (this is beginning to sound like Scientology!) - does he do it at a certain age, or at birth, or is in some kind of interal 'spirit'?
Because very young children do not understand these concepts (if you are interested in the research try a google search for 'moral development'). I guess the sky-god introduces the concepts to the child slowly, over time, and it is this that fool us into thinking the child is learning these concepts from interacting with the world?
I can't answer the question of where my morality comes from beyond the phrase 'genetics and life experience', because I have very basic knowledge in the field of moral development.
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if an atheist leads good life with high moral standards, because he choice to do so and thinks for logic it is a good thing, does it not mean much more then when a theist does the same, because his gods tells him to do it?
what's your thoughs on this?
DD - apologies, I directed my comment at you, when they were more a reaction to other things said in this thread.
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if an atheist leads good life with high moral standards, because he choice to do so and thinks for logic it is a good thing, does it not mean much more then when a theist does the same, because his gods tells him to do it?
what's your thoughs on this?
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if an atheist leads good life with high moral standards, because he choice to do so and thinks for logic it is a good thing, does it not mean much more then when a theist does the same, because his gods tells him to do it?
what's your thoughs on this?
Differential reproduction (or "survival of the fittest") very likely helped in establishing our cooperative behaviours etc.
I have no problem with qualified, broad statements such as above, but as with all things, it's worth maintaining a skeptical attitude especially to the more specific hypotheses. Some (especially media) sources seem inclined to treat every EP hypothesis as fact. But I'm getting off topic...
