Four doors, for field service. Biggest gas hog possible so that you could spend tons of money rodding arround doing not at home rvs. You know the drill...
VanillaMocha73
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In Your Opinion, What's The Best Vehicle To Drive?
by minimus inwhat is rated the best??
what do you like?
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Child dies because he did not want to go to the meeting
by VanillaMocha73 inhttp://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/16252892.htm
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VanillaMocha73
Basically, it is so sad that JWs view your "Christianity" level based on meeting attendance. The parents probably thought that they were saving their son by forcing him to attend meetings. I have watched autistic children before, and it was thought that my mother was mildly autistic as a child. It is very wrong to force them to do something unneccessary that troubles them so deeply.
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Child dies because he did not want to go to the meeting
by VanillaMocha73 inhttp://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/16252892.htm
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Does anyone remember this member?
by nonamegiven inhmmm.
anyone remember him?
well, take a sec to read this post.
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VanillaMocha73
You know, I had a similar terror when I came out. My mom is one of the anointed and so I figured she would just have a fit. I started sneaking in little details and then she out and tells me "You really ought to read this book called Crisis of Conscience." Go figure....
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How powerful are archangels
by plmkrzy ini have been trying to post this topic and keep getting the error page.
i have no idea if this will submit this time or not...crossing fingers and toes, i'll keep trying.. formatting problems..sorry.. .
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*** rs p. 218 Jesus Christ ***
Is Jesus Christ the same person as Michael the archangel?The name of this Michael appears only five times in the Bible. The glorious spirit person who bears the name is referred to as “one of the chief princes,” “the great prince who has charge of your [Daniel’s] people,” and as “the archangel.” (Dan. 10:13; 12:1; Jude 9, RS) Michael means “Who Is Like God?” The name evidently designates Michael as the one who takes the lead in upholding Jehovah’s sovereignty and destroying God’s enemies.
At 1 Thessalonians 4:16 (RS), the command of Jesus Christ for the resurrection to begin is described as “the archangel’s call,” and Jude 9 says that the archangel is Michael. Would it be appropriate to liken Jesus’ commanding call to that of someone lesser in authority? Reasonably, then, the archangel Michael is Jesus Christ. (Interestingly, the expression “archangel” is never found in the plural in the Scriptures, thus implying that there is only one.)
Revelation 12:7-12 says that Michael and his angels would war against Satan and hurl him and his wicked angels out of heaven in connection with the conferring of kingly authority on Christ. Jesus is later depicted as leading the armies of heaven in war against the nations of the world. (Rev. 19:11-16) Is it not reasonable that Jesus would also be the one to take action against the one he described as “ruler of this world,” Satan the Devil? (John 12:31) Daniel 12:1 (RS) associates the ‘standing up of Michael’ to act with authority with “a time of trouble, such as never has been since there was a nation till that time.” That would certainly fit the experience of the nations when Christ as heavenly executioner takes action against them. So the evidence indicates that the Son of God was known as Michael before he came to earth and is known also by that name since his return to heaven where he resides as the glorified spirit Son of God.
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Isn't obesity a difilement of the flesh?
by BrentR inback when i was a jw i saw many people df'd because of smoking.
it was probably the second most common reason aside from fornication and adultrey.
i can't tell you how many brothers and sisters i knew in my cong.
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VanillaMocha73
How about alcoholism? They don't df for this either - too hard to define whether someone is an alcoholic or not - especially if they do not get drunk with the classic symptoms.
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He asked..."Is this for Christmas?" I said," Yes."..oops he is a Witness!!!
by Lady Liberty inhi again.... well as you can imagine, celebrating christmas for the very first time ever is quite exciting!!
i got out all my christmas cards, have most of my shopping done and baked my brains out!!
oh but what fun times we are having!!
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VanillaMocha73
I work with a JW who makes a big deal of it, chastising someone for mentioning a Christmas present, etc. She knows I'm df'd but thinks I'm coming back, altho the cross I wear must give something away. (She was loud about that one too - "You are wearing a cross!! Why? How weird?") Anyway, I want a Christmas tree on my desk!!!!
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Terms that JW's don't use
by JH inoften i hear people say, "have you accepted christ"?
have you made him your personal savior?.
have you developped a personal relationship with jesus?.
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*** rs p. 219 - p. 220 Jesus Christ ***
Do you accept Jesus as your personal Savior?’
You might reply: ‘The Bible clearly says . . . (quote Acts 4:12). I believe that. But I have also learned that serious responsibilities go with it. How is that? Well, if I really believe in Jesus, then I can’t believe in him just as far as it seems convenient.’ Then perhaps add: ‘His perfect life given in sacrifice makes it possible for us to have forgiveness of sins. But I know that it is also vital to pay attention to his instructions regarding our responsibilities as Christians. (Acts 1:8; Matt. 28:19, 20)’
Or you could say: ‘(After confirming the fact that you do believe in Jesus as Savior, not only of yourself, but of all who exercise faith in him . . . ) It is important that we respond appreciatively not only to what he did in the past but also to what he is doing now. (Matt. 25:31-33)’
‘I have accepted Jesus as my personal Savior’
You might reply: ‘I am glad to hear that you believe in Jesus, because there are so many people today who give no thought to what Jesus did for us. You no doubt know well the scripture at John 3:16, don’t you? . . . But where will such people live forever? Some will be with Christ in heaven. But does the Bible show that all good people go there? (Matt. 6:10; 5:5)’ -
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anyone ever had a pet custody battle in a divorce
by dawgfan ini feel somewhat ridiculous.
i know that a dog is not the same as a child but even my soon to be ex has conceeded on alot of points in the divorce papers, we cannot agree on who gets custody of the dog.
i've always had dogs when i was growing up, but i really love this dog that we have.
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VanillaMocha73
Moving back to her country? Has she figured out how much it is to move a dog to a new country? The quarantine laws? You might check on those. Letting her know that her beloved pet will be quarantined away from her for up to a month might persuade her to get a dog in her new country.
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What effect does 'Apostate Pressure' have on the bOrg?
by AK - Jeff inwill increased pressure - pickets, websites, books, letters to fellow witnesses, have a positive or negative impact on the ultimate goal most apostates have - seeing the organization eventually crumble and fall?.
my take is that more pressure is good.
it makes the 'real personality' of the organization express itself in greater oppression, more demands, greater efforts to isolate the flock from education, career, family, reality.. eventual result of oppression is rebellion.
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GB turning gay...
Already did that - http://www.freeminds.org/bethel/homosexuality_bethel.htmLeo Greenlees
Governing Body member Leo K. Greenlees was forced to resign and leave Bethel in late 1984. He entered the Toronto, Canada Bethel in 1936, eventually becoming treasurer of the Canadian branch and of the IBSA of Canada. In 1964 he went to Brooklyn Bethel, and in 1965 was elected as a director of the Society's New York corporation. As a director Greenlees automatically became a "governing body" member when that body was formally instituted in 1971. He often spoke at Gilead graduations, and was the concluding speaker for the day at the Watchtower Centennial business meeting at Three Rivers Stadium in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania on October 6, 1984. A 1982 Watchtower mentions him as being on the Teaching Committee of the Governing Body. Greenlees' last mention in Watchtower publications is in the December 1, 1984 Watchtower where he is said to have passed out diplomas at the September Gilead graduation. In late 1984, Greenlees was allegedly convicted by the rest of the Governing Body of molesting a ten year old boy. The boy's parents had complained to the Society and it took action. Greenlees was a friend of the family and often visited them. After leaving Bethel Greenlees served as a Special Pioneer and eventually an elder in the "Downtown" congregation in New Orleans, Louisiana. He died in the late 1980s. Interestingly, the boy who Greenlees molested applied for Bethel service a few years later, around 1991, and was rejected. Watchtower leaders apparently feared that other Bethelites would tell him the 'rumors' about Greenlees, not knowing that he was Greenlees' victim, and cause the young man to know that justice had not been done. He might then have confirmed the rumors
Percy ChapmanPercy Chapman was another member of Bethel accused of being homosexual. It was alleged that Chapman was a one-time lover of GB member Leo Greenlees. In 1959, under hint of homosexual scandal, Knorr went to Canada to replace Chapman, who was the Canadian Branch overseer. Knorr demoted Chapman to janitor, but let him remain at Toronto Bethel--on condition he marry. According to Larry D., a Toronto former JW, "Percy ... was totally anti-marriage and he made sure that none of the "Bethel boys" even contemplated the subject ...." Larry described the Bethel boys of the 1950s. "They were all young and handsome, hand-picked by Percy Chapman; there was even an elite group known as 'Percy's boys' who would accompany him to expensive restaurants and bars ... at the time, Bethel was on Irwin Avenue in the center of the gay district of Toronto. There was even a Kingdom Hall above 'The Parkside,' one of Toronto's few gay bars in the fifties and sixties." After Chapman's disgrace, Larry, who personally knew Greenlees, wrote, "Poor Leo Greenlees, Percy's close companion for three decades ... had to find himself a new roommate. ... He was very open about his homosexuality to those few good-looking young brothers .... He would bring along another Bethel boy, Lorne Bridle, who was very good looking and charming." Regardless of his dubious relationship with Chapman, Greenlees became Treasurer of WTB&TS and one of the Governing Body. According to Larry, "He managed to escape the witch hunt at Brooklyn Bethel in the early seventies when dozens of Bethel boys were disfellowshipped after learning of their midnight trysts in the sauna in Brooklyn Bethel."