It is worth exactly what you pay for it. In my KH individuals bought the TP and etc, it didn't come out of the contributions. Who knows where the contribution money went? The last meeting I ever went to they were complaining that they did not have enough $$ to meet their monthly KH payment.
VanillaMocha73
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Is it stealing to get lit without paying the borg for it?
by SnakesInTheTower ini'm a pyromaniac.
i want a fire on this thread and soon .
so i wanted everyone's opinion on something.
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Development of the 'meetings'
by cyberdyne systems 101 ini was wondering if anyone knew how what became the 'meetings' came into being.
say from the time russell printed the watchtower, to congregations forming and a particular format being followed.. i guess this question arose in my mind because to become a member of a religion/organisation you have to comply to a set of rules or guidelines that make you more unique to that particular religion.
the jw's have specific meetings, and this is one area i was curious to see the development of.
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Badboy,
Didn't you know that you can't possibly understand the Bible unless you read the publications? I mean, you might have an independent thought or a revelation from the holy spirit or something..... -
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Development of the 'meetings'
by cyberdyne systems 101 ini was wondering if anyone knew how what became the 'meetings' came into being.
say from the time russell printed the watchtower, to congregations forming and a particular format being followed.. i guess this question arose in my mind because to become a member of a religion/organisation you have to comply to a set of rules or guidelines that make you more unique to that particular religion.
the jw's have specific meetings, and this is one area i was curious to see the development of.
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VanillaMocha73
Yeah, it was not called the Kingdom Ministry, but I meant that the content of it had the same intent. To quote;
*** jv chap. 16 pp. 246-247 Meetings for Worship, Instruction, and Encouragement ***
The Bulletin, a folder containing information directly related to the field service, contained a brief testimony, then called a canvass, that was to be memorized and used when witnessing to people. -
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Funny JW Comic
by claytoncapeletti inone of my old co-workers sent this to me.
the sad thing is that i have had this happen to me in service before.
oh, those were the days.
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VanillaMocha73
I think we are missing somethiing here?
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Has the organisation the biblical right to judge its members?
by Marcel inokay, before you say straight "no!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!1111111111111111" let us rethink.
lets say jehovas witnesses actually have the truth.
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VanillaMocha73
"how can you determine the right religion if not on their teachings? "
You are assuming there is a right religion. The Bible tells us that what is necessary is to believe in Jesus and accept his sacrifice on our behalf. That is all there is to it. It does not name a particular religion. It is up to us individually to examine the Bible, to pray and invite the Holy Spirit to guide us, to develop a personal relationship with God and listen to Him and His will for our lives. There is a not a religion that is going to do that for us.
As far as the obedience and rules and such, salvation is through grace and God's unconditional love. Now, if we love God, it follows that we are eager to learn His standards and incorporate them in our lives. It is out of love that we please our mates, not fear that our mate will shun us or condemn us. It is out of love that we please God. We will make mistakes along the way. God loves us through them all. He does not shun us. He does not condemn us for making mistakes. Jesus' blood covered those errors. They are paid for, if we accept the payment.
Does a religion have the right to judge its members? Read Romans. We do not need to be judged, we are saved through grace. If it does not belong to man to direct his step, then how would it belong to man to judge us?
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Development of the 'meetings'
by cyberdyne systems 101 ini was wondering if anyone knew how what became the 'meetings' came into being.
say from the time russell printed the watchtower, to congregations forming and a particular format being followed.. i guess this question arose in my mind because to become a member of a religion/organisation you have to comply to a set of rules or guidelines that make you more unique to that particular religion.
the jw's have specific meetings, and this is one area i was curious to see the development of.
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VanillaMocha73
The Proclaimer book has a brief history:
Russell encouraged regular meetings in 1881. Some Bible students make the mistake of using the Bible at the meetings and not the publications, but the traveling ministers of the time readjusted their thinking. In 1895, they got all straightened around to using the Milennial Dawn books and it looks like the Book Study was born.
Then, Russell wanted another meeting to be an "expression of devotion" called Cottage Meetings and these included hymns and testimonies. However, there was too much emphasis on self and not enough on the Watchtower, so it "became apparent that meetings designed to equip each one to share in the evangelizing work was more beneficial." In 1923 the KM was born and by 1932 those worship meetings started by Russell were completely switched over to the Service Meeting. No more worship or testimony, but rather dictated "help" in the Christian ministry.
In 1916, some brothers set up Schools of Prophets by themselves to become better public speakers. It was attended only by males and brothers privately compiled a textbook. However, they were not sufficiently under the WT rule so they were discontinued. Because the time was so short to the end, a special school began in 1943 where everyone attended (only men participated) that would equip publishers to offer Bible literature. In 1959, sisters were included in the training. Hence, the TMS was born.
Sunday meetings made the mistake also of starting out discussing the Bible, but people had differences of opinion on the Bible, so by 1905 outlines for proper congregation discussion were published in the Watchtower. There you have the WT study which was mandated in 1922.
The Public talk seems to have started in 1911 where sufficiently talented speakers would travel out and give six discourses in some town and then see if they had enough people to start up a group. In the 1920s the radio was used, and in the 1930s, recorded talks by Rutherford were broadcast. By 1945, the TMS school had turned out enough qualified men to give public talks.
There were no Sunday Schools because in 1883, there was only a short time left until all JWs would be in heaven, so there was not time for Sunday School for children. They changed their mind around 1918 when they all found themselves still here. Sunday school started, but by 1936 it was discovered that they were too well organized and not under the WT thumb, so it was discontinued. In 1938, it was pointed out that people were staying out of field service in order to train the young in these classes, so any and all separate classes for youth were discontinued. And there you have the loss of Sunday School and child classes.
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Anyone find any decent pro-Witness sites?
by IsaacJS2 inas i've mentioned a few times before, i'm working on a round of articles for austin cline's site.
the final "big daddy" article is an evaluation: is the wts a controlling, harmful cult?
but i don't plan on doing an attack article.
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VanillaMocha73
"a public web site that tries to defend their org can be quoted" - trouble is their stand is indefensible, hence they strongly discourage and censure anyone who puts anything on a website. I think the best you are going to do is www.watchtower.org . See, there is a trouble - Good Witnesses are not supposed to even look at any material against us. Therefore, how could they defend against what they are supposed to ignore?
"Sir, that sword is coming at you - defend yourself!"
"Oh, I have been instructed not to look at swords as they may corrupt my thinking."
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Is this normal?
by FourMs inafter i came to terms with my decision to leave the org, i suddenly didnt want to anything to do with god.
its been several months and i still dont want to hear people talk about whether there is a god or not.
or when people say that they thank god for this and that.
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VanillaMocha73
I still have a close (or even closer) relationship with God, but I cringe every time I hear him called 'Jehovah'.
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Look What The Cat Caught!!!
by SWALKER inmy cat had this on the sidewalk playing with it!
he bit the tip of his tail off but my son and i were able to rescue him and turned him loose at our pond.
he seemed fine.... swalker.
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VanillaMocha73
Can we have warning on these? Extreme snake phobia and me screaming at work not good!!!!
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Watchtower Conductor Guidelines
by Black Man inso 'tower conductors are talking too much, bringing their own material and not getting participation from the rest of the 'flock.
' nothing's changed.
check out the letter below....
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VanillaMocha73
Why not just have the WT conducted by automated robot? He could randomly select "approved" publishers to answer - or do what our WT conductor did - if you wanted to comment on a paragraph, you find him before the meeting and he writes your name down on the paragraph.