It is still common. I suppose it has to do with the lack of an education.
Posts by DJ
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29Why do most brothers work in the cleaning business?
by JH inwhen i joined the jw's many years ago, i couldn't get over how many were working in the cleaning business.
i know this permitted them to go to the meetings, out in the field service, and work without any conflict.. where did this trend start?
is it like this world wide?
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WT Lawyers: "Theocratic Warfare" is alive and well in this organization.
by Jerry Bergman inboy does this bring back memories!
when i claimed i was treated like this many would not believe me!
any other experiences you out there have had like this?
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I'd like to add that it is Bill's resposibility to answer questions at a deposition unless his attorney objects and it is also important to be sure of the facts before he puts things on his web site. His life needs to be scrupulous or he will be discredited by the wt lawyers. This is true of all legal cases. I would like to know of the wt has the atpe of the phone conversation between Bill and the legal dept., that was shown on Dateline. It only showed a one sided conversation and many current jw's think that it is a conspiracy. It should be made known to all supporters too. It's not easy being involved in litigation and Bill is getting his first taste. They will get uglier and I am surprised that he is surprised. What'd he expect?
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Is the Watchtower's Jesus really Jesus?
by Tower Man ini just put 2 new audios from walter martin on my site.
they're awesome!!
if you never heard him you're missing out!
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WT Lawyers: "Theocratic Warfare" is alive and well in this organization.
by Jerry Bergman inboy does this bring back memories!
when i claimed i was treated like this many would not believe me!
any other experiences you out there have had like this?
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The jws that I know use theocratic warfare (lying) everyday even when it has nothing to do with their religion. They basically live a lie and if it benefits them they will lie. I suppose that they justify it because they have the need to be right about everything at all times otherwise.....in their minds, it could affect the way that they are percieved by others. They hate appearing human unless it has to do with a false prophecy then they claim human imperfection and blame it on the rank and file anyway. I think it is called pride.
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How do women do it ????? Do you have no self respect ?????
by run dont walk in125 years of the watchtower, and women are still considered garbage.. they cannot give talks, have a position in the congregation, cannot lead a study when a man is present, give a prayer etc etc etc etc.......... they can be of the annoited class, but a man who is a ms, still has more say !!!!!!!!!!.
to all the women on this board, did this ever bother you as a jw, and does it bother you know ???.
how can women sit at a meeting and in a round about way be treated like garbage and accept it ????
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Even weider than that Aztec....my mom and sisters are not allowed to pray if my Unbaptized brother ( he studies) is in the room. He has to lead the prayers or else....the paper napkins come out.
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How Do You Feel About Jehovah's Witnesses???
by minimus innearly everyone that posts here says mostly negative things about the witnesses.
a few will speak of certain jw's that were helpful to them while they were going through difficulties.
in the situation that you find yourself in now, do you feel that you hate jw's?
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I find that I go back and forth on this one. I want to just view them as misled and feel sad for them and other times I get so angry at them that I truly dislike them. It is not just about false teachings either....it's more of an annoyance with their self righteous behavior and a general distrust for them in many common situations where your average unbeliever would rise above. They lie not only in what they teach but as a rule in life. They are unloving as a whole. There may be some exceptions but I haven't met any. The exterior is quite different from the interior. They are able to turn on the charm when trying to impress but when they let their guard down and their true colors show...it's like a jekyl and hyde movie. You cannot fake godliness without it catching up sooner or later.
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A Common Mistake
by DJ inas a jw, i was taught the wrong idea of what the trinity is.
the concept of the trinity does not teach that the father is the son.
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I agree to some extent rocketman. I used to not believe the trinity concept wholeheartedly.I admit though that I based my decision on the all familiar jw verses in the NT that seem to discount it. It wasn't until I stopped only looking to the bible for my answers and started to directly ask for the holy spirit to teach me. I had no intention of accepting the trinity at the time. I just wanted to understand what the bible taught in order to discern truth from error. I yielded to the teachings in the spirit and I saw the trinity teaching from Genesis to Rev. I was amazed. I no longer have any doubts about it. Once I had an understanding, then any verse that the jw's threw at me to contradict it seemed plain silly. IMHO, the refusal to accept the concept of the trinity is based on fear and a lack of understanding of the positioning of the Father and the Son.
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LETTER FROM MY DAUGHTER.... NEED YOUR OPINIONS
by calamityjane inokay guys, i need your opinion.
my 13 year old daughter was pretty close to my jw parents when we left.
i cut off ties last year because of my mom's intrusive behaviour with my daughter.
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calamity,
Forgive me for not reading all of the posts. I understand your dilemna and I just wanted to tell you that in my opinion......the only way to protect your child and let her visit your mom, is to teach your daughter where the jw's are wrong and why. I have a daughter the same age who knows what the bible actually teaches and she is capable of handling my family. All maturity levels are different but I don't feel that my daughter is mature for her age compared to others. In fact, she is still very kid-like but she has an understanding of Jesus and that makes her immune to the jw's. My son is only six and I would never allow him to be alone with them because of his age and lack of ability to grasp truth from error just yet. My kids do not ask to visit my parents b/c I take them to visit occasionally and they know not to teach my kids. I don't think that my parents care either way if they ever see my kids or not, truthfully.
The only other thing that you can do imo is to tell your parents that you do not want them to speak about religion with your child and ask your little girl if they do.If they do... Then you have a solid reason to keep her from them and someday she will understand that. To your little girl, it may seem like you are the one who is shunning. If you disagree with those 2 suggestions that maybe you could try to stomach your mom for an houror two once a month while you visit her with your daughter. I'm out of ideas..lol My best to you and your daughter. love, dj
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A Common Mistake
by DJ inas a jw, i was taught the wrong idea of what the trinity is.
the concept of the trinity does not teach that the father is the son.
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Heathen,
The word in Hebrew for "one" that is used has the meaning of one as in a "cluster" of grapes. I didn't say that the holy spirit is the same entity as Jesus. That is my point. The trinity began with the early church fathers who were trying to teach the people what the bible taught because there were many false teachers called Arians who were teaching Christ as a created being.
Outnfree,
The Son can pray to the Father as well as the Father can speak to the Son in Hebrews1 and claim that Jesus is the creator. The Father clains to be the creator ALONE in Isaiah. They are separate yet one. There are not 2 Firsts and Lasts. The Holy Spirit could come until Christ left the earth. How can a force be lied to or grieved?
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Is JW just another denomination?
by John Vogel inhello :) i suppose this is my introduction to the forum, though i am not sure if i will actually post and read much here.
i did go through several posts, and didn't find anything helpful, though i did find many posts interesting... anyway, i am not a jehovahs witness.
i hope this doesn't immediatly diqualify me from posting this question here... but basically, i was wondering just what is jw?
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DJ
Dear John,
You seem to have much in commoon with two posters here Aguest and Noko. They are x jw's who do not accept the trinity. They also only use the Hebrew pronunciation for Jesus. You may want to hook up.