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Need info, please?

by DJ in

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i haven't posted here in years.

i hope you guys are all doing well.

i imagine that most of you have already seen this one on youtube;.

DJ

That was all I was really saying. My thinking is intact. I know what Brown says and means.The fact is that listening to the interview, not reading a transcript, I could say that Brown
did not lie nor did he say JW's are not claiming spirit-direction. I know he is misleading, but I examined it as a JW might do. I did that because I would
know what a JW would say, and therefore I would not even bother to try to prove anything
to them by showing them this interview. It would be a waste of time. I think I was clear in how a JW would give him his "outs" on his exact words. If we try to nail these guys on their exact words (not-in-print, especially) then the JW's see us as radical apostates. The interviewer did a fantastic job of getting Brown to say the misleading quotes, but it wouldbe up to the individual to realize that he is admitting something huge or it would be up to the individual's cognitive dissonance to dismiss his impromptu words. Most JW's would do the latter.

I agree that most die hard Jws would twist it, but I also think that they especially could, since the transcription is off. I deal with many Jws who are questioning the org. It takes years to help them to get to that place (being able to start to think again on their own) and that is what we do on that board. I have devoted my life to helping Jws on that board for over 7 years now, daily. So, I guess we're looking at this from opposite points of view. Glass half full or empty.. kind of thing? I've seen many Jws leave the org by posting to us because we hold them accountable to the scriptures and their WT lit.

There are some there who would try to argue it, and they would have to deal with us, but there are others who would be greatly helped by it. They are the ones that I'm primarily concerned with right now. For the other die hards there.. it is a possible seed, imo. Time will tell. I have seen them make tremendous progress over the years and we can never tell what is going to be that straw that breaks the camel's back. It is different for many.

I hope you can see where I am coming from now. I think there is a positive connection also, between his answer regarding that question and his answer regarding the "special pipleline". I am certain that it would help to heal many of our "walking wounded" there.

Take care. :)

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Need info, please?

by DJ in

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i haven't posted here in years.

i hope you guys are all doing well.

i imagine that most of you have already seen this one on youtube;.

DJ

Thank you, you have a better ear for that line than I had when I first listened to the interview. :) Of course, this wasn't a professional transcript and I did the best I could do with the limited audio.

You are more than welcome. I understand that you transcribed it in no time flat from reading LDH's thread last night.

My concern is that it is the same transcription is posted on the silentlambs site. The link to it is in the 2nd post of this thread. You can see by "Onthewayout"'s post (also in this thread) that it seems to have impacted his/her thinking about what Brown actually said.

Not only did Brown answer in the negative to Lisa's question about being inspired.. but he clearly answered her separately and distinctly to the spirit- "directed" question, saying "No, we don't have anybody that makes that claim". I think that is invaluable since Jws have been (since 85) and still are, baptized into the "spirit-directed organization."

Why am I making what may seem like a fuss..? Well, because Jws play so many word games that they could, and would, make excuses about what was said if they read the interview as it is transcribed now. I post to Jws on another discussion board and I would link them to it and ask them to read it, but as it stands now..I wouldn't. They'd twist it easily.. As a matter of fact, we just wound up a thread about Jws being baptized into the "spirit-directed org". A proper transcription would really cause them to have to give some answers. Or at the least perhaps to.. get them to think..

I'd also like to give it to family to read.. (if they would) I am mostly shunned but I think I can get it into their hands

If you want to contact B. Bowen that would be great because it seems that he used your transcription. If it's no big deal to you.. I'll do it, but I think it would have more validity coming from you since you transcribed it in the first place. He's a busy man and probably didn't ever actually listen to the audio.

Sorry to be a bother, Leolaia.. but I hope you can see my point. Having only heard the tape in full yesterday, I was really floored by it. I know that with time the WT lies become cliche with the passage of time, but imho this has potential to make quite an impact on someone who "loves truth".

Thanks. Dj

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Ex-Jehovah's Witness on Catholic TV May 19th

by jschwehm in

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tom cabeen, former jehovah's witness bethel elder and pioneer will be interviewed on ewtn's "the journey home" on his conversion to the catholic church on may 19th.

you can read tom's story at:

http://www.catholicxjw.com/

DJ

That is really surprising to me. I recall reading some of his stuff a few yrs ago and he was nowhere near there. Thanks for the post and link.

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Insurance Claim against the WTS in the UK

by besty in

about 3 months ago a jw brother slips on the steps on the way out of his local kh.

the step was mossy and slippery as a leaking gutter had been left unattended to.

this brother had pointed out to the elders that the slippy step was an accident waiting to happen for one of the olders ones.

DJ

That kind of thing happens often in kh's. Yes, they are are insured for it. I read about it in the watchtower court documents on the pedophilia cases by Barbara Anderson.. Several men were paid for falling off of ladders, Etc. There was even one payment for 50K to someone for "Elder misconduct" in the kh in CA where an elder-child molester was, who is now in jail.

Each jw pays about 5 bucks a yr for the KH Assistance ins program. That's about what, $5-6 million per yr in the USA alone? $30,000,000 per yr if there are 6 million jws in the world?

If he doesn't take their offer, he may be df'd for taking a "brother" to court.

All that they had to do was lay a piece of carpet or something over the moss to prevent this to begin with.

For Leolaia

by DJ in

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hi leolaia,.

would you mind having a look at my thread below, please?

i have just listened to the tapes and i hear a difference between the audio and the transcribed version that you posted on ldh's thread.

DJ

Hi Leolaia,

Would you mind having a look at my thread below, please? I have just listened to the tapes and I hear a difference between the audio and the transcribed version that you posted on LDH's thread. I posted what I heard as the difference on the last post of that thread. Can you tell me the reason for the difference? I am assuming that you transcribed it personally after reading LDH's thread. I have spent all day on this! arrrgh Brown's answer was a lot more difinitive in the audio than on the transcription, imho.

Thanks, I'd really appreciate it.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/157495/1.ashx

btw.. years ago, I read your paper on the cross. I thought that it was excellent and have actually referred several questioning jws to it on another site. TY

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Need info, please?

by DJ in

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i haven't posted here in years.

i hope you guys are all doing well.

i imagine that most of you have already seen this one on youtube;.

DJ

You guys are great.

Thanks for the links,yknot. I noticed that the transcription is different than the audio.. around the 8 1/2 minute mark of the audio Brown says, "No, we don't have anybody that makes that claim." The transcribed version is off there..

ForOnthewayout: you wrote this:

The problem with this interview is that J.R. Brown is answering the question on whether
the JW's have anyone who is spirit-INSPIRED. Even the question asked about being
spirit-directed is compound and first asks if the leaders claim to be "spirit-INSPIRED
or directed or whatnot" so that J.R. Brown's single word answer of "NO" is for the
first part about being INSPIRED.

Nahhh, I totally disagree! If you listen to the audio (around the 81/2 minute mark of part 1)

..Lisa asked:

"So neither the volunteer workers nor the Leadership itself, of the Jehovah's Witness church professes to be spirit inspired or..

Brown interrupts her and says.. "NO"

Then, Lisa continues her question ..."directed or what-not?"

AGAIN, Brown says.. "NO, we don't have anybody that makes that claim."

There is no way out for him, imo..

His denial that they don't teach a special pipeline to God thing is another flat out lie.

Hi Fadeout.. I agree. You know, it still is a big deal. I think it is a matter of just how many twists and spins with words can be argued, Jws are notorous for word games. But the simple facts are there clear as day. (see above from audio) He lied with his classic theocratic lying sunglasses on.

Hi Nathan, thanks.. I remember Lisa. She did great! I remember you too! Always loved you!

AudeSapere..Thanks for posting the link to Lisa's thread too.. I haven't read it yet. I will later on. I reeeallly have to cut the grass b/c it's beginning to look like I live in the jungle.

Great work guys..!

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Simple question: JESUS WAS THE SON OF (which?) MAN

by Terry in

jesus had no dna from joseph.. a case could be made that jesus was the son of woman.

but, seriously...folks...... here is the real point:.

within the hebrew bible, the first place one comes across the phrase son of man is in book of numbers 23:19:.

DJ

Hey Terry,

Check out Psalm 49:7-9

Jesus was the son of man.. yes, meaning born of a woman. He was also the son of God.. being born of God, not Joseph. Hence, Jesus was both God and man. That's what Christians have always taught. If you read the Psalm above.. you'll see that no mere man could die to save anyone else. Just as the verse you posted.. no mere son of man. I've yet to see a jw answer Ps 49.

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MAKE A YOUTUBE VIDEO - check this one out

by Dogpatch in

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leaving jehovah's witnesses can be a very rough experience, and.

sometimes you find yourself becoming familiar with the language of.

recovery.

DJ

Dang! How have ya been, Randy?!!! It's been such a long time. It seems like a hundred years ago when I first found your site while being unraveled from the brainwash of being raised a jw. You have been a blessing to so many!

Can I please get your input here if you know..?

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/157495/1.ashx

Ps I hope you heal up soon.

God bless.

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Need info, please?

by DJ in

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i haven't posted here in years.

i hope you guys are all doing well.

i imagine that most of you have already seen this one on youtube;.

DJ

it sure moves fast around here.. sheeesh! My post ended up a gazillion pages back in no time flat!

bumping..

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Need info, please?

by DJ in

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i haven't posted here in years.

i hope you guys are all doing well.

i imagine that most of you have already seen this one on youtube;.

DJ

Hi all,

I haven't posted here in years. I hope you guys are all doing well.

I imagine that most of you have already seen this one on youtube;

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=LqX5aQ51uxM

Ok, I knew that the wt said that they are UNinspired even while they claimed to be prophets.. But I didn't know that JR Brown actually gave some sort of an interview saying that they don't have a special pipeline to God.. and that that they are not even spirit-directed.

In that video it says that Brown made those statements in 2006. The delusional man didn't know that they are still baptized into the "spirit-directed organization"???? Ok, I know he is lying through his teeth, so don't answer my question there.

I would really like to know if anyone here has any info on that interview on the youtube video. Is there a transcript of his interview or something that I can show my Jw family? They'd never watch that video. They are all afraid of the net. Anyone with any info about how I can obtain a transcript or whatever that excerpt was taken from, please let me know. Oh, and who was the woman who interviewed him?? Maybe she could help me out..?

..If the person who made that video posts here.. Awesome job!!! TY