I've had doubts all my life about many things, large and small. But the UN issue, which I learned on the internet, was the final nail in the cofin. I have not been in field service since I learned of it.
becca1
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How much influence did the internet have on you leaving the organization?
by The wanderer inuntitled document <!-- .style1 {font-family: verdana} .style2 {font-family: verdana; font-style: italic; } --> discoveries about the organization on the internet admittedly, had it not been for the internet, and all of the dis-.
coveries that were found on it; i would still be one of jehovah's .
witnesses.
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Say You're a Bethelite & Monitoring JWD - How Would You Feel About THESE??
by Seeker4 ini'm talking about the new posters, like kitten whiskers, who started posting today (hope this works: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/120817/1.ashx).
and it seems like we're getting a few like this nearly every day.
people who were raised jws, really worry that they are doing the right thing in leaving, yet who have been made to feel not good enough by the wts, who felt they never measured up, who struggled with it, but came to realize that what they'd been brought up to believe was just not the truth.. the same stories are told over and over again, and they come from sincere, good people - not whiny, fault-finding apostates like the rest of us riffraff around here!
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Dear willyloman:
Thank you for your kind words.
You mentioned helping your family get out. How did you do this? My husband is on board but I need to tread lightly around my children. Any suggestions?
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Say You're a Bethelite & Monitoring JWD - How Would You Feel About THESE??
by Seeker4 ini'm talking about the new posters, like kitten whiskers, who started posting today (hope this works: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/120817/1.ashx).
and it seems like we're getting a few like this nearly every day.
people who were raised jws, really worry that they are doing the right thing in leaving, yet who have been made to feel not good enough by the wts, who felt they never measured up, who struggled with it, but came to realize that what they'd been brought up to believe was just not the truth.. the same stories are told over and over again, and they come from sincere, good people - not whiny, fault-finding apostates like the rest of us riffraff around here!
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becca1
To everyone
I apologize for the "pity story" I posted last night. I felt I had to get it off my chest, but in reading over it now, it seems silly. I hope I can more encouraging from now on.
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Say You're a Bethelite & Monitoring JWD - How Would You Feel About THESE??
by Seeker4 ini'm talking about the new posters, like kitten whiskers, who started posting today (hope this works: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/120817/1.ashx).
and it seems like we're getting a few like this nearly every day.
people who were raised jws, really worry that they are doing the right thing in leaving, yet who have been made to feel not good enough by the wts, who felt they never measured up, who struggled with it, but came to realize that what they'd been brought up to believe was just not the truth.. the same stories are told over and over again, and they come from sincere, good people - not whiny, fault-finding apostates like the rest of us riffraff around here!
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Dear Q
I am shocked by all the elders in here!!! It's actually kind of exciting. It tells me I'm not crazy or making up the things that bother me about the org.
I really feel for ya'll though. Having to fulfill your duties feeling the way you do must me a heavy burden indeed.
When it's all said and done we will all need a lot of Prozac!!!
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Say You're a Bethelite & Monitoring JWD - How Would You Feel About THESE??
by Seeker4 ini'm talking about the new posters, like kitten whiskers, who started posting today (hope this works: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/120817/1.ashx).
and it seems like we're getting a few like this nearly every day.
people who were raised jws, really worry that they are doing the right thing in leaving, yet who have been made to feel not good enough by the wts, who felt they never measured up, who struggled with it, but came to realize that what they'd been brought up to believe was just not the truth.. the same stories are told over and over again, and they come from sincere, good people - not whiny, fault-finding apostates like the rest of us riffraff around here!
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Dear Doubting Bro.
We are in the same boat as we are disillusioned by many of the same things but have so many years and so many loved ones in the org. Please keep us informed of your progress. I hope you can "get out" with minimal damage.
It strikes me that yet another mark of JWs not being the truth is how we have to go "underground" to disagree. How in order to leave we have to have a carefully orchestrated strategy. Where is this free will we so often hear about? It's like the mafia, once your in "la famiglia" you are there for life or else.
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Say You're a Bethelite & Monitoring JWD - How Would You Feel About THESE??
by Seeker4 ini'm talking about the new posters, like kitten whiskers, who started posting today (hope this works: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/120817/1.ashx).
and it seems like we're getting a few like this nearly every day.
people who were raised jws, really worry that they are doing the right thing in leaving, yet who have been made to feel not good enough by the wts, who felt they never measured up, who struggled with it, but came to realize that what they'd been brought up to believe was just not the truth.. the same stories are told over and over again, and they come from sincere, good people - not whiny, fault-finding apostates like the rest of us riffraff around here!
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Thanks Earthtone!
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Say You're a Bethelite & Monitoring JWD - How Would You Feel About THESE??
by Seeker4 ini'm talking about the new posters, like kitten whiskers, who started posting today (hope this works: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/120817/1.ashx).
and it seems like we're getting a few like this nearly every day.
people who were raised jws, really worry that they are doing the right thing in leaving, yet who have been made to feel not good enough by the wts, who felt they never measured up, who struggled with it, but came to realize that what they'd been brought up to believe was just not the truth.. the same stories are told over and over again, and they come from sincere, good people - not whiny, fault-finding apostates like the rest of us riffraff around here!
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Once in a galaxy far, far away... a little girl was born to a JW mommy and daddy. They had been married a long time and had no other children. When this little girl came along, she messed up their life. They had learned the "truth" form missionaries and the mommy aspired to being the "perfect witness". Daddy was soon a "cong. servant" and was determined to be the best one ever.
Mommy and Daddy's life revolved around the "truth". Service, studing for meetings (on their own, not with the little girl), meetings, pioneering,helping the brothers, serving where the need was greater... these where the things that occupied their time and energy.
The little girl had an active imagination and rich inner life. This was a good thing, or else she'd of died of boredom. The daddy was always on the go with either work of cong. duties. He was very conscious of appearences and did not want anything bad to be said about him. If the little girl acted up in any way, he would yell at her and call her "disobedient". Sometimes he would spank her really hard, especially at meetings, so others could see what a good daddy he was.
One night after a meeting a teenaged boy at the KH asked the little girl to play a game with him. They went outside, behind the KH. The boy told her that if she told anybody about the game he would tell her daddy that she had been a bad girl so he would spank her. She believed him. She did not like the game and it made her feel funny but somehow they continued to play This went on for about 2 or 3 years, until the little girl's family moved to another town where the need was greater. She has never told her mommy or daddy about the game even though she she is now a 47 year old grandmamma.
The mommy (perfect witnesses), always had lots and lots of Bible studies and she took the little girl her to conduct them. This and the meetings is how she learned about Jehovah. Nobody ever studied with the little girl. When she was 4 years old she became a publisher and when she was 10 she was baptised. She made her dedication by saying a prayer, while jumping on her mommy and daddy's bed and watching Neil Armstrong land on the moon.
When the little girl was going to start the fourth grade the mommy realized that her school schedule would mess up her pioneer schedule. She then decided to home school the little girl. For three years she woulg fight with the little girl to do her schoolwork. When the little girl did not do well on a test, the mommy would give her the answers. This way she would alwasy make good grades and not shame the family.
Most of the time was spent going out in service with the mommy. In this way, the little girl was able to put in lots and lots of field service hours and make mommy and daddy look good.
Another thing the little girl did to help mommy and daddy look good was to wear her dresses no shorter that exactly the middle of the knee. She knew it was exactly because daddy measured them for her.
After three years of homeschooling the little girl had had enough. She confronted her daddy and said she wanted to go back to school. He told her she was ungrateful, disobedient and wordly. He yelled and screamed. The little girl, cried and yelled and screamed back. This family discussion lasted three days. At this time the daddy gave up. The little girl was put back in school. The daddy barely spoke to her for days after.
When she started back in school she misbehaved a lot at first because she no longer knew how to act . She also had forgotten how to do things like multiply and divide. The little girl worked really hard though and by the next school year was at the top of her class.
The little girl grew up and graduated from high school. She applied to a university 2 hours away from home. This scholl was really hard to get into, but one day she got a letter saying she was accepted. She was very excited! She could not wait to show her daddy the letter. After her daddy read the letter, he said she could not go away to that school. They then had another 3 day family discussion. In the end, the daddy said: if you go to that school I will step down as an elder". The girl knew how much he loved being an elder so she did not say another word. The next day, she applied to a junior college in her home town and was accepted.
She went to the junior college for two years and lived at home. In her junior year, she trasferred to a school awy from home. Daddy said he was no longer responsible for her choices since she was 20 years old, so what she did was not a reflection on him. After just two months, the girl had a nervous breakdown due to the guilt she felt form living away from home. She quit school and called her daddy to pick her up. One the way home they were having a nice talk and the girl thanked her daddy for not letting her go away to school in her freshman year because she may have had a nervous breakdown then and at least know she had an Associates Degree at least. She also told her daddy that she could not have lived with the guilt of his stepping down as an elder because of her. Her daddy then said "Oh, I never would have done that. I just said that to make you change your mind".
The grown up girl is now married and two children. She takes care of the old mommy and daddy. She and her husband are "fading out" because of all the wrong things they have seen over the years. The last straw was the UN/NGO situation. She feels cheated out of her childhood and sometimes is overcome by bitterness. Most of the time she tries to think positive thoughts and is pretty happy. Most of all, she wishes that no other little girls or boys were robbed of their childhood in the name of their god, an ideal or a parents ego.
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The "Fade" - Evaluating A New Phenomenon
by slimboyfat into what extent has the growth of the "fade" been facilitated by internet forums such as this?
sure there were people who chose to fade in the pre-internet era, simply by withdrawing themselves, gradually involving themselves with non-witnesses to a greater extent, or getting in touch with other ex-witnesses covertly through the convention system/telephone and mailing support network that used to be more important before the advent of the internet.
so the "fade" is not an invention of the internet era, not en entirely "new phenomenon".
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becca1
Thanks!
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The "Fade" - Evaluating A New Phenomenon
by slimboyfat into what extent has the growth of the "fade" been facilitated by internet forums such as this?
sure there were people who chose to fade in the pre-internet era, simply by withdrawing themselves, gradually involving themselves with non-witnesses to a greater extent, or getting in touch with other ex-witnesses covertly through the convention system/telephone and mailing support network that used to be more important before the advent of the internet.
so the "fade" is not an invention of the internet era, not en entirely "new phenomenon".
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becca1
Hi: New "fader" here. In the "truth" all my life (over 40 years). A little paranoid about posting . What if someone tracks this...? Did not report time last month nor this one. First time since I was 4 years old.Still go to meetings because I am responsible for my elderly parents. They are in their 80's, live with me, are active, Dad an elder though disabled. When they "go" I'm not going back. Until then....???? Do not want to be disfelowshipped. Don't plan on any "wrongdoing", but with the NGO issue, Bulgaria, 607, and the many smaller doubts I have had for years I cannot in good conscience encourage others to join us, so I will not be "witnessing" any more.
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What has Ray Franz said about the NGO thing?
by yaddayadda ini e-d ray and asked him.
he gave a nice reply (a lengthy stock reply with brief personal comments to me cut and pasted into it) saying that he commented on the ngo thing in the latest edition of crisis of conscience.
unfortunately i have an older edition of coc so i'd be most grateful if someone could type up what he said in his latest edition...unless that is a breach of copyright?
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becca1
Does anyone out there have Ray Franz's email address. Could I have it , please? Thanks.