this is nasty.. "god wears clothes" {ga may 19 1926 534}.
it's a quote from the ga magazine.
does anybody have a real scan from that magazine to read what is the context?
Hello there,
This is nasty.
"God wears clothes" {GA May 19 1926 534}
It's a quote from the GA magazine. Does anybody have a real scan from that magazine to read what is the context? Thanks.
Also, Why can't I change my password? I do it and update, and then nothing happens. I've uploaded also an avatar a lot of times and it does not appear. And, I've checked myself as "Male", and I still appear as some sort of sex mix. Can somebody explain to me how to update the profile? Thanks again.
onthewayout made this post the other day:.
good point kifoy..
otherwise, there was a thread about a new memorial outline that addresses the remnant.
I think that's it. Thanks.
i'm planning this summer to go to bethel and read with my owns eyes all those stupid quotes that the wt had published since its creation.
i just wanna do that for fun and i may find some new eye-opening info.
my question is as follows:.
Hello there,
I'm planning this summer to go to Bethel and read with my owns eyes all those stupid quotes that the WT had published since its creation. I just wanna do that for fun and I may find some new eye-opening info. My question is as follows:
Do you think that I can go to Bethel, mainly to their library, and picked any old book? Do I have to sign or something to enter to the library? Is there any photocopy machine to use?
Those questions are mainly for people like bethelites (or ex) that know about Bethel.
***i believe i have the correct scripture here but if i don't please correct me.
i have thought a great deal on this topic since i first read it in one of ray franz books isocf.. he had a section that dealt with the greek term translated "house to house" and compared it to other scriptures which contained the same greek phrase and showed that it was likely that it should be translated "in private homes".. now i know that some will make the point that "house to house" is a valid translation and from what i know (which is very little) cannot disagree.. what i can say though is that from my knowledge about life in this period and this area of the world and from my traveling to ruins of ancient citys i would have to agree with franz that the phrase "in private homes" makes more sense because preaching from "house to house/door to door" at that time period would have been extreemely ineffective.
preaching in a public square and then returning with interested ones to their "private homes" for further discussion would make more sense if one was to be effective.. from those with a knowledge of the time/place/culture that this scripture applies to, do you agree with me?
Hello there,
This is part of an essay that I fount at www.jwfacts.com about preaching. I hope I am not violating any copyright thing. Here is goes:
<strong>Where to Preach</strong>
When the Watchtower claims they are the only group that preach what is really meant is that Jehovah's Witnesses are the only people that preach the Watchtower interpretation of God’s Kingdom, principally from “house to house”.
Does God Care? (2001) p.30
“Since the last days began in 1914, Jehovah’s Witnesses have preached the good news of God’s Kingdom throughout the world in the manner ordered by Jesus, namely, at the homes of the people. (Matthew 10:7, 12; Acts 20:20) Millions of Witnesses call on people in every nation to talk to them about the new world. This has led to your receiving this brochure, as the work of Jehovah’s Witnesses includes printing and distributing billions of pieces of literature about God’s Kingdom. Do you know of anyone else who preaches about God’s Kingdom from house to house throughout the world? And Mark 13:10 shows that this preaching and teaching work must be done “first,” before the end comes.”
The Watchtower places great emphasis on the house to house ministry, yet Mark 13:10 simply says “Also, in all the nations the good news has to be preached first.” It does not state how this is to be done.
Though the house to house work is an acceptable way to preach, it is never indicated scripturally as a sign of who God’s followers would be. In fact, house to house is not prescribed as the way to preach. A close look at the scriptures that the Watchtower uses to specify house to house preaching is enlightening.
The only time that the term ‘house to house’ is used in regards to preaching to unbelievers was when Jesus sent out the 70 disciples. On this occasion Jesus plainly stated not to go house to house.
Luke 10:1-7
“After these things the Lord designated seventy others and sent them forth by twos in advance of him into every city and place to which he himself was going to come. … 5 Wherever YOU enter into a house say first, ‘May this house have peace.’ 6 And if a friend of peace is there, YOUR peace will rest upon him. But if there is not, it will turn back to YOU. 7 So stay in that house, eating and drinking the things they provide, for the worker is worthy of his wages. Do not be transferring from house to house. (Ek oikia eis oikia)”
The Watchtower quotes two other scriptures from Acts to indicate a person should preach house to house.
Watchtower 1991 January 15 p.11
The principal way in which that work would be done became evident immediately after the day of Pentecost 33 C.E. “Every day in the temple and from house to house they continued without letup teaching and declaring the good news about the Christ, Jesus.” (Acts 5:42) Some 20 years later, the apostle Paul was engaging in the house-to-house ministry, for he reminded Christian elders from the city of Ephesus: “I did not hold back from telling you any of the things that were profitable nor from teaching you publicly and from house to house.”—Acts 20:20.
The Greek used at Acts 5:42 and Acts 20:20 is not Ek oikia eis oikia, but rather Kata oikos. For this reason bible translations usually render this “in every house”, “at home” or “in their homes”. Whilst the New World Translation of Acts 20:20 uses the phrase “house to house” the footnote acknowledges that the Greek word means “in private houses”.
At Acts 20:20 Paul is not discussing preaching to unbelievers but rather teaching those who already were Christians. He says “while I did not hold back from telling YOU any of the things that were profitable nor from teaching YOU publicly and from house to house.” A more accurate way to understand these scriptures in Acts is “we were teaching you at your homes” similar to the way Witnesses hold congregation book studies.
How to preach is discussed in Matthew 10:5-12:
“5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, giving them these orders: “Do not go off into the road of the nations, and do not enter into a Sa·mar'i·tan city; 6 but, instead, go continually to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7 As YOU go, preach, saying, ‘The kingdom of the heavens has drawn near.’ 8 Cure sick people, raise up dead persons, make lepers clean, expel demons. YOU received free, give free. 9 Do not procure gold or silver or copper for YOUR girdle purses, 10 or a food pouch for the trip, or two undergarments, or sandals or a staff; for the worker deserves his food.
11 “Into whatever city or village YOU enter, search out who in it is deserving, and stay there until YOU leave. 12 When YOU are entering into the house, greet the household;”
Though used as a key reference to justifying the door to door ministry the text at Matthew 10 is disregarded by Witnesses in its entirety. The Watchtower message focuses largely on the earthly organization and earthly paradise rather than the heavenly aspect of the kingdom. Miracles such as faith healing are not practiced. Rather than giving free, donations are requested to cover the cost of the literature and prior to the change of tax status were actively sold. Finally, the disciples did not go house to house, they searched out a single place to stay.
Pix.
***i believe i have the correct scripture here but if i don't please correct me.
i have thought a great deal on this topic since i first read it in one of ray franz books isocf.. he had a section that dealt with the greek term translated "house to house" and compared it to other scriptures which contained the same greek phrase and showed that it was likely that it should be translated "in private homes".. now i know that some will make the point that "house to house" is a valid translation and from what i know (which is very little) cannot disagree.. what i can say though is that from my knowledge about life in this period and this area of the world and from my traveling to ruins of ancient citys i would have to agree with franz that the phrase "in private homes" makes more sense because preaching from "house to house/door to door" at that time period would have been extreemely ineffective.
preaching in a public square and then returning with interested ones to their "private homes" for further discussion would make more sense if one was to be effective.. from those with a knowledge of the time/place/culture that this scripture applies to, do you agree with me?
Hello there, This is part of an essay that I fount at www.jwfacts.com about preaching. I hope I am not violating any copyright thing. Here is goes: Where to Preach When the Watchtower claims they are the only group that preach what is really meant is that Jehovah's Witnesses are the only people that preach the Watchtower interpretation of God’s Kingdom, principally from “house to house”. Does God Care? (2001) p.30 “Since the last days began in 1914, Jehovah’s Witnesses have preached the good news of God’s Kingdom throughout the world in the manner ordered by Jesus, namely, at the homes of the people. (Matthew 10:7, 12; Acts 20:20) Millions of Witnesses call on people in every nation to talk to them about the new world. This has led to your receiving this brochure, as the work of Jehovah’s Witnesses includes printing and distributing billions of pieces of literature about God’s Kingdom. Do you know of anyone else who preaches about God’s Kingdom from house to house throughout the world? And Mark 13:10 shows that this preaching and teaching work must be done “first,” before the end comes.” The Watchtower places great emphasis on the house to house ministry, yet Mark 13:10 simply says “Also, in all the nations the good news has to be preached first.” It does not state how this is to be done. Though the house to house work is an acceptable way to preach, it is never indicated scripturally as a sign of who God’s followers would be. In fact, house to house is not prescribed as the way to preach. A close look at the scriptures that the Watchtower uses to specify house to house preaching is enlightening. The only time that the term ‘house to house’ is used in regards to preaching to unbelievers was when Jesus sent out the 70 disciples. On this occasion Jesus plainly stated not to go house to house. Luke 10:1-7 “After these things the Lord designated seventy others and sent them forth by twos in advance of him into every city and place to which he himself was going to come. … 5 Wherever YOU enter into a house say first, ‘May this house have peace.’ 6 And if a friend of peace is there, YOUR peace will rest upon him. But if there is not, it will turn back to YOU. 7 So stay in that house, eating and drinking the things they provide, for the worker is worthy of his wages. Do not be transferring from house to house. (Ek oikia eis oikia)” The Watchtower quotes two other scriptures from Acts to indicate a person should preach house to house. Watchtower 1991 January 15 p.11 The principal way in which that work would be done became evident immediately after the day of Pentecost 33 C.E. “Every day in the temple and from house to house they continued without letup teaching and declaring the good news about the Christ, Jesus.” (Acts 5:42) Some 20 years later, the apostle Paul was engaging in the house-to-house ministry, for he reminded Christian elders from the city of Ephesus: “I did not hold back from telling you any of the things that were profitable nor from teaching you publicly and from house to house.”—Acts 20:20. The Greek used at Acts 5:42 and Acts 20:20 is not Ek oikia eis oikia, but rather Kata oikos. For this reason bible translations usually render this “in every house”, “at home” or “in their homes”. Whilst the New World Translation of Acts 20:20 uses the phrase “house to house” the footnote acknowledges that the Greek word means “in private houses”. At Acts 20:20 Paul is not discussing preaching to unbelievers but rather teaching those who already were Christians. He says “while I did not hold back from telling YOU any of the things that were profitable nor from teaching YOU publicly and from house to house.” A more accurate way to understand these scriptures in Acts is “we were teaching you at your homes” similar to the way Witnesses hold congregation book studies. How to preach is discussed in Matthew 10:5-12: “5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, giving them these orders: “Do not go off into the road of the nations, and do not enter into a Sa·mar'i·tan city; 6 but, instead, go continually to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7 As YOU go, preach, saying, ‘The kingdom of the heavens has drawn near.’ 8 Cure sick people, raise up dead persons, make lepers clean, expel demons. YOU received free, give free. 9 Do not procure gold or silver or copper for YOUR girdle purses, 10 or a food pouch for the trip, or two undergarments, or sandals or a staff; for the worker deserves his food. 11 “Into whatever city or village YOU enter, search out who in it is deserving, and stay there until YOU leave. 12 When YOU are entering into the house, greet the household;” Though used as a key reference to justifying the door to door ministry the text at Matthew 10 is disregarded by Witnesses in its entirety. The Watchtower message focuses largely on the earthly organization and earthly paradise rather than the heavenly aspect of the kingdom. Miracles such as faith healing are not practiced. Rather than giving free, donations are requested to cover the cost of the literature and prior to the change of tax status were actively sold. Finally, the disciples did not go house to house, they searched out a single place to stay. Pix.
onthewayout made this post the other day:.
good point kifoy..
otherwise, there was a thread about a new memorial outline that addresses the remnant.
Hello all,
OnTheWayOut made this post the other day:
Good point Kifoy.
Otherwise, there was a thread about a new Memorial Outline that addresses the remnant. Nobody said what the "new" information will be. I am sure someone out there knows, so to get you to post it, I will make wild speculations. Here we go-
1. The GB will say the gathering is complete, many partakers are mistaken. They will stop counting.
2. There will be a new doctrine that Jehovah set aside many slots in the 144,000 for Africans and Asians and others who were almost entirely excluded in the 20th Century.
3. They will continue to count at the Memorial, but they will say that the number was filled and they will actually keep tabs on the 8000+ members of the remnant, perhaps even inviting them to HQ for their input.
4. The new information is about the remnant getting old, they will now choose "other sheep" for their Governing Body.
5. They discovered through new light that 144,000 is a symbolic number.
So, where is that thread about the Memorial Outline? Thanks in advance.
Pix.
what do you think of ray(mond) franz?
i have seen here some people critisise him as not being a really heartfelt opponent of the wts, but my view is that he was quite honest about his expressed motives against the cult.
with his revelations he gave a lot of momentum to the ex jw movement (the apostate organisation according to the jws) and offered valuable assistance to those seeking to shake off the ideological and social dependance on the oppressive cult.
Now that we are posting about Mr. Franz, it comes pretty handy to inform the forum that this week, during the Revelation Book Study, they were talking about "apostates" and an old witness, I think he is around 70 years old, said that one time a CO got Df'd along with a Governing Body member. I just said inside me: "Raymond Franz", but I doubt that the other witness would picked up his name since only few people in the borg know about him.
What did the GB say that they kicked him out from the GB for?
My comment about Franz: Don't know him, but REALLY respect him. Wish I could meet him someday to thank him and chat with him personally.
Pix.
where in scripture does the gb get the idea of being anointed?
jesus warned his disciples to watch out for the deceivers (matt 24: 4) who would falsely point to wars, famines, and earthquakes (verses 6 and 7) as the sign of the end of the age (verse 3).
at the same time, jesus told his disciples that these deceivers would claim to be christ (verse 5), which means anointed one.
This is really intereresting.
So, in other words, Jesus Christ will be in plain English Jesus Annointed right? Also, David and Saul were annointed, but according to the WT, they belong to other class of annointed since they are not going to heaven...
i have been told to study this book with a sister so that i may can be indoctrinatedadjusted according to bullshitaccurate knowledge.. i dont have this book, nor do i remember reading it, or studying it, just wanted a head's up from those of you who may have it, or know where i can read a copy of it online...any help is really appreciated.. thank you in advance!.
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That's a really easy book. Sometimes it falls into the ABC lessons that you received at school. It was made for an illiterate person - my personal view.
can anyone tell me whether the usage of such articles can be found in the original hebrew or greek writing of the scriptures?.
in this week's book study, the society attempts to distinguish jesus "the first and the last" (rev 1:18) from jehovah "i am the first and i am the last" (isaiah 44:6).
the basis for such a distinction, according to the society is that isaiah quote lacks definite articles before the words "first" and "last".
What is funny about this is that the article "the" appears in both texts, so, if the WT says that "the" is not in Isaiah, why they insert it anyway?
