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  Graduating college May 14. Update on Getting my GED and going to college thread from 5 years ago.

  by noni1974 in

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  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/187163/getting-my-ged-can-go-college.

  i started this topic 5 years ago letting everyone know i had decide to get my ged and go to college in hopes of getting an education so that i could have a career instead of just a job.

  i wanted fulfillment and a future, not just another job that has no really future in it.

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  LisaRose

  Very impressive! Congratulations on a job very well done.
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  How a Gay Jewish Boy from New England Came to Be and Leave the JWs (and what he did next)

  by CalebInFloroda in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  born in cambridge, ma to a liberal couple that escaped the conservative south, my parents raised me better than to become a jehovahs witness.

  funny thing was they got mixed up in it first.. while that is a story for another time, i myself had to go along as the third of five children in my family.

  dads job transferred him to texas and my mom worked fulltime herself, but eventually we found ourselves drinking the kool-aid of ambiguity intolerance and full-fledge belief that the bible was literal fact and that salvation was found only by those who were smart enough to enter the confines of the watchtower.. its weird how many people claim they fear children raised by two gay parents will grow up to be gay.

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  LisaRose

  Welcome, what an interesting story. It made me think of something I heard about while living in Colorado. The remote San Luis valley is had been settled by Spanish immigrants hundreds of years ago. This population were primarily Catholic, but many of them carried a gene mutation that causes breast cancer, this mutation normally associated with Jewish people.

  It turns out these were the descendants of Jews who had been forced to convert to Catholicism by the Spanish. Some continued to practice Judaism in private, and some of them immigrated to what is now Colorado and New Mexico. Because of its remoteness, the San Luis Valley people continued to inter marry, keeping the genetic defect.

  This defect has been traced to Palestinian Jews two thousand years ago.
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  A coordinated effort to bring up Watchtower pedophelia to the public's attention.

  by Village Idiot in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  a statement that phizzy made on jonathan drake's thread on flyers gave me the following ideas.. we should make a flyer on the issue of the watchtower pedophilia issue written with the object of alerting the public about the jw door to door activity.

  phizzy suggested the title, "the paedophile at your door".. on that flyer should be the contact information of our most informed member on the subject who's willing to talk to the media.

  barbara anderson perhaps?.

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  LisaRose

  I'll take a stab at it.

  Danger At Your Door
  

  You probably have seen Jehovah's Witnesses at your door on Saturday morning, or have a relative or co-worker that belongs to the religion. You may know they don't celebrate Christmas or Birthdays and don't accept blood transfusions. They might seem nice, clean cut and very earnest in sharing their faith. Would it surprise you to learn that the person knocking on your door could very well be known to be a pedophile?

  The Watchtower Bible and TractSociety, the legal entity that controls the religion, does not have paid clergy. Instead, they have a group of congregation leaders, called elders, who are receive just a few weeks of training, have no education beyond high school and are not given a background check. These men are required to investigate accusations of child abuse, which is treated the same as any other sexual transgression. If the person accused denies it, they must have two witnesses to take any action. Since child abusers seldom have witnesses to their actions, many child abuse claims go nowhere.

  Even when the abuser admits the offense, if the elders decide he is "repentant" (seems to be sorry) no action is taken except bible counsel and possible removal of congregation duties. Even if disfellowshipped (removed and shunned by the congregation) they can be easily reinstated if they are later deemed repentant, they may even later become elders themselves. If the law requires it, the elders may notify the law, otherwise they do not. It is reported that many elders even discourage this so as not to "bring reproach on Jehovah's name"

  As you can imagine, this allows many child predators to go free. Elders with no training in psychology or child abuse are not really qualified to judge if someone is likely to reoffend. The Watchtower maintains a list of potential child molesters, but others in the church are never made aware there is a predator among them. Jehovah's Witnesses are discouraged from developing friendships with non believers and tend to be quite trusting of each other, so it really is a pedophile paradise. Members may be reprimanded for talking about it, even disfellowshipped and shunned themselves, thus being victimized twice. They are counseled to "wait on Jehovah". Abuse victims have even been disfellowshipped themselve for not fighting off the abuse in the first place. These are children who have been taught to respect and obey adults, especially elders.

  Admitted child molestors (unless disfellowshipped) are not only allowed to engage in the door to door work, they are required to, just as any other Jehovah's Witness. Since child sex abusers have a high rate of recidivism, this is not just foolish, but dangerous to the public. For years the Watchtower has hidden this problem by secretly paying millions to child abuse victims and requiring non disclosure agreements. Fortunately more and more victims are refusing to do so and many cases have come before the courts. In one recent case the Watchtower had a multi million dollar judgement; in another they were fined millions for refusing to provide discovery documentation and legally required testimony. What organization does that if they have nothing to hide?

  Sadly, many rank and file Jehovah's Witnesses are still ignorant of these facts. Now that these cases are getting media attention they are even told that Satan is persecuting them by causing people to make up these allegations. Be aware that when a Jehovah's Witness asks for donations to the worldwide preaching work, the money may actually going for lawyers, judgements and hiding child molesters. The Watchtower refuses to consider changes to their policies, other than to become even more secretive. The next time a Jehovah's Witness come to your door, tell them you will not contribute to an organization that ignores victims and hides pedophiles.

  
  
  
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  A coordinated effort to bring up Watchtower pedophelia to the public's attention.

  by Village Idiot in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  a statement that phizzy made on jonathan drake's thread on flyers gave me the following ideas.. we should make a flyer on the issue of the watchtower pedophilia issue written with the object of alerting the public about the jw door to door activity.

  phizzy suggested the title, "the paedophile at your door".. on that flyer should be the contact information of our most informed member on the subject who's willing to talk to the media.

  barbara anderson perhaps?.

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  LisaRose

  Yes, we should do both.
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  A coordinated effort to bring up Watchtower pedophelia to the public's attention.

  by Village Idiot in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  a statement that phizzy made on jonathan drake's thread on flyers gave me the following ideas.. we should make a flyer on the issue of the watchtower pedophilia issue written with the object of alerting the public about the jw door to door activity.

  phizzy suggested the title, "the paedophile at your door".. on that flyer should be the contact information of our most informed member on the subject who's willing to talk to the media.

  barbara anderson perhaps?.

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  LisaRose

  Rather than flyers, why not prepare a Facebook type thing? That way you could have the possibility of it going viral. I think many people would be surprised that the man knocking on their door on Saturday could be a pedophile, known to his church to be attracted to children and not just allowed, but required to go to their house.
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  What to cook for the CO?

  by fulano in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the funniest i have seen since ages..... http://www.forevereating.com.

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  LisaRose

  Wow, I feel like I just went back in time. Do people still agonize over cooking for the CO? Nothing says "crazy cult member" like a cookbook for your religious higher ups.

  My Sugestions:

  Armageddon Appetizers

  Watchtower Waffles

  Overlapping Generations Goulash

  Smooching Butt S'mores

  Pedophile Pilaf

  Charlie Russell Chicken
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  Question for atheists and nonbelievers

  by pressman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i profess to teach the truth to you all and get you to all to think and believe.

  believing in christ through his words and not through evil religious cults, like hoj and jw, can and will save you.

  do you all realize that every time you are victorious and receive something of value through your hard work and sweat, it was our holy god who blessed you.

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  LisaRose

  would you be entitled to accept the lord and obey him if you can have the satisfaction of not really agreeing with him but worshipping him because it is the right thing to do?

  No one has answered your question because it doesn't make any sense. Despite what you think, I didn't stop believing in God because I didn't want to believe him, I actually wanted there to be a god, but I can't believe in something just because it's comforting, or makes me feel better or it's what my parents believed. I even attended church for a while, hoping that some level of faith would return. It didn't. I know what I know. The evidence is overwhelming to me.

  I see no evidence of his existence and quite a lot that indicates he doesn't exist. It's like someone demanding you believe in the Easter Bunny. Imagine your question as if it was from an Easter Bunny true believer.

  would you be entitled to accept the Easter Bunny and obey him if you can have the satisfaction of not really agreeing with him but worshipping him because it is the right thing to do?

  How would you answer that question? You couldn't, because you find the idea of the Easter Bunny to be ridiculous, a children's fable. Even if the special bunny believer said he had some magnificent, secret knowledge or experience that proves to him Bunny exists, you wouldn't believe, it's just not remotely possible. That is exactly how I feel about your claims.

  I am glad you are happy in your faith, but I don't understand why you can't conceive of someone simply looking at the evidence and finding it lacking. Frankly, it makes you seem a little odd. I think you mean well, if you aren't pranking us, but you are barking up the wrong tree here.

  
  
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  What bad habits have you picked up since leaving the Borg.

  by James Mixon in

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  2. friends

  i went back to smoking and gambling but the good habits out weigh.

  the bad ones, like lying to people.

  is't fraud against the law, the practice.

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  LisaRose

  Nothing that any normal person would consider bad. Holidays, voting, volunteering, sleeping in on Sunday.

  Most people would think I was pretty boring, but to the Witnesses I am a total degenerate.
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  Having my stitches out....

  by Louise in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  and i'm a little scared.. yes they are ready to come out.

  my thumb pad is tingly and burning.

  the skin around the stitches is numb.. with the injury being so bad, it is going to take at least a year for my thumb to be 90% recovered.

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  LisaRose

  Ouch, that had to have hurt. When I was a baby I got three fingers caught on the inside of the door, it almost cut off the end of one of my fingers.
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  Jehovah's Witnesses ... Proclaimers of "soon, very soon" since 1879

  by jwleaks in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the first edition of the watchtower magazine, july 1879, made the following comment on page 5 regarding how "soon" the end of this system will come:.

  exactly 136 years later the latest edition of the watchtower magazine, july 2015, (paragraph 3) made the following comment on page 15 regarding how "soon" the end of this system will come:.

  jehovah's witnesses ... proclaimers of "soon, very soon" since 1879.. .

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  LisaRose

  
  

  From Jwfacts, some of the dates that were erroneously predicted

  ....we consider it an established truth that the final end of the kingdoms of this world, and the full establishment of the Kingdom of God, will be accomplished near the end of A.D. 1915.
  

  1918 ed. We anticipate that the "earthquake" will occur early in 1918, and that the "fire" will come in the fall of 1920.

  The Seventh-days before the Deluge may represent seven years, from 1914 to 1921, in the midst of which "week of years' the last members of the Messiah pass beyond the veil.

  most effective work in the remaining months before Armageddon."Watchtower 1941 Sep 15 p.288

  1980 ....if the wicked system of this world survived until the turn of the century, which is highly improbable

  "Some of that "generation" could survive until the end of the century. But there are many indications that "the end" is much closer than that!" Watchtower1984 Mar 1 pp.18-19Shortly, within our twentieth century
  

  "He was laying a foundation for a work that would be completed in our 20th century". Watchtower1989 Jan 1 p.12.
  

  this very time

  2003 We are certainly in "the time of the end."