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  How to Choose a Wife!

  by snugglebunny in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  back in the day, when my family moved to a new congregation, i fell head over heels with a young sister who was an elder's daughter.

  it wasn't long before we were talking about marriage and i was contemplating buying her an engagement ring.

  my parents were not happy at all.

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  LisaRose

  Yes, IF they don't mind women that are any one of or a combination of morbidly obese, several children, extremely poor health, mentally unstable, chronically lazy, whiners etc

  As they say, the odds are good but the goods are odd.
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  What I Learned Today

  by OneFingerSalute in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  just thought i would share what i learned today sitting for several miserable hours at the circus assembly.. while i took "notes" i just cannot stand trying to type out all the details.

  so suffice it to say the entire program can be covered with these few observations.. do more!

  give more!

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  LisaRose

  I printed off a number of those pictures with the price of that watch included and highlighted, folded them neatly, then dropped them in the collection boxes as my "donation"

  Lol, wish I could have been there when the envelope was opened. Well played.
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  Mummy Dear Lies at Assemblies

  by Tempest in a Teacup in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  my zealously fanatic jw mum is aware of my current "tourist-jw" life.

  what she doesn't know for sure is that she's part of the ones who brought me to this.. my mum was a quite moderate jw, she even got publically reproved once.

  in our house, there was no daily text, no family study, no eating together, no preaching together, no watchtower study...even though she regularly checked my wt to see if i studied it.. being a single mother, she had a quite busy work schedule, so from the moment she woke up to the moment she went to bed, you'd better not waste a single minute of her time needlessly.

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  LisaRose

  Being a single mother, she had a quite busy work schedule, so from the moment she woke up to the moment she went to bed, you'd better not waste a single minute of her time needlessly.

  I was a working mom too, not single but my husband was disfellowshipped, plus couldn't keep a job. I once sat down and calculated it out; with my job, cooking, cleaning and the meetings, study, service, etc. , if I did everything I was supposed to do I would have five hours a week to call my own. I sort of gave up at that point, I realized I didn't have it in me to do it all.

  I used to feel guilty that I didn't have a regular family study, while many of my friends were much more disciplined. I thought their children would stay "in the truth" while mine might not, but what happened was that most of those children didn't actually stay either.

  In seemed to me that those children were either religiously inclined or not and the parents had limited influence no matter what they did. This religions is all or nothing, if you don't attend meetings and go in field service, you don't count, and many people just aren't going to do all that, which is probably why they have such a low retention rate.
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  "Your bad attitude is evident, because you don't bring a meeting bag to the meetings anymore!"

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  yes friends.....this is the comment said to me by an elder!.

  "your bad attitude is evident because you don't bring your meeting bag anymore!".

  i calmly replied: "but everything i need is on the tablet now......".

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  LisaRose

  That's about the silliest example of nit picking I have ever heard. Next meeting bring a fluorescent pink book bag.
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  A coordinated effort to bring up Watchtower pedophelia to the public's attention.

  by Village Idiot in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  a statement that phizzy made on jonathan drake's thread on flyers gave me the following ideas.. we should make a flyer on the issue of the watchtower pedophilia issue written with the object of alerting the public about the jw door to door activity.

  phizzy suggested the title, "the paedophile at your door".. on that flyer should be the contact information of our most informed member on the subject who's willing to talk to the media.

  barbara anderson perhaps?.

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  LisaRose

  After thinking about it, I don't think it's a good idea. There really is very little danger to the public, because the vast majority of people are completely uninterested in Jehovah's Witness are are hardly going to allow one to allow one to gain access to their children. It's counter productive to pretend their is a problem when there is none. The danger is to those in the congregations who are not aware of the issue and they are not likely to believe a flyer or post.

  Perhaps it would be better to simply forward the news reports about the Candace Conti case or others rather than creating a flyer, that would give it more credibility and avoid any legal issues.
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  "Try-harders" going on witnessing "holidays" to countries under ban!

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i can't get over how many "try-harders" are going on "holidays" to countries that are under govt ban!.

  they get tourist visas to get into the countries (such as parts of asia) but are really there to preach.... .

  how dishonest!.

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  LisaRose

  Well, isn't that special.
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  Who REALLY believed in the idea of living forever on earth??

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  seriously.....even when you were 100% in "the truth", did you really believe in living forever?

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  LisaRose

  Absolutely. I converted along with my parents at thirteen. I love nature and the thought of a paradise earth was attractive to me. I can't pinpoint a date when I stopped believing, it was a thirty year process. The last ten years I was inactive but still attended meetings. If you had asked me then I would have said I believed it, but I didn't think I would live through the big A, because by any interpretation of Watchtower teachings I wasn't good enough.

  A personal crisis caused me to rethink things and it just hit me that none of it was true. It was . A very good day, it was like a weight was lifted off of me.
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  Graduating college May 14. Update on Getting my GED and going to college thread from 5 years ago.

  by noni1974 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/187163/getting-my-ged-can-go-college.

  i started this topic 5 years ago letting everyone know i had decide to get my ged and go to college in hopes of getting an education so that i could have a career instead of just a job.

  i wanted fulfillment and a future, not just another job that has no really future in it.

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  LisaRose

  Very impressive! Congratulations on a job very well done.
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  How a Gay Jewish Boy from New England Came to Be and Leave the JWs (and what he did next)

  by CalebInFloroda in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  born in cambridge, ma to a liberal couple that escaped the conservative south, my parents raised me better than to become a jehovahs witness.

  funny thing was they got mixed up in it first.. while that is a story for another time, i myself had to go along as the third of five children in my family.

  dads job transferred him to texas and my mom worked fulltime herself, but eventually we found ourselves drinking the kool-aid of ambiguity intolerance and full-fledge belief that the bible was literal fact and that salvation was found only by those who were smart enough to enter the confines of the watchtower.. its weird how many people claim they fear children raised by two gay parents will grow up to be gay.

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  LisaRose

  Welcome, what an interesting story. It made me think of something I heard about while living in Colorado. The remote San Luis valley is had been settled by Spanish immigrants hundreds of years ago. This population were primarily Catholic, but many of them carried a gene mutation that causes breast cancer, this mutation normally associated with Jewish people.

  It turns out these were the descendants of Jews who had been forced to convert to Catholicism by the Spanish. Some continued to practice Judaism in private, and some of them immigrated to what is now Colorado and New Mexico. Because of its remoteness, the San Luis Valley people continued to inter marry, keeping the genetic defect.

  This defect has been traced to Palestinian Jews two thousand years ago.
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  A coordinated effort to bring up Watchtower pedophelia to the public's attention.

  by Village Idiot in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  a statement that phizzy made on jonathan drake's thread on flyers gave me the following ideas.. we should make a flyer on the issue of the watchtower pedophilia issue written with the object of alerting the public about the jw door to door activity.

  phizzy suggested the title, "the paedophile at your door".. on that flyer should be the contact information of our most informed member on the subject who's willing to talk to the media.

  barbara anderson perhaps?.

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  LisaRose

  I'll take a stab at it.

  Danger At Your Door
  

  You probably have seen Jehovah's Witnesses at your door on Saturday morning, or have a relative or co-worker that belongs to the religion. You may know they don't celebrate Christmas or Birthdays and don't accept blood transfusions. They might seem nice, clean cut and very earnest in sharing their faith. Would it surprise you to learn that the person knocking on your door could very well be known to be a pedophile?

  The Watchtower Bible and TractSociety, the legal entity that controls the religion, does not have paid clergy. Instead, they have a group of congregation leaders, called elders, who are receive just a few weeks of training, have no education beyond high school and are not given a background check. These men are required to investigate accusations of child abuse, which is treated the same as any other sexual transgression. If the person accused denies it, they must have two witnesses to take any action. Since child abusers seldom have witnesses to their actions, many child abuse claims go nowhere.

  Even when the abuser admits the offense, if the elders decide he is "repentant" (seems to be sorry) no action is taken except bible counsel and possible removal of congregation duties. Even if disfellowshipped (removed and shunned by the congregation) they can be easily reinstated if they are later deemed repentant, they may even later become elders themselves. If the law requires it, the elders may notify the law, otherwise they do not. It is reported that many elders even discourage this so as not to "bring reproach on Jehovah's name"

  As you can imagine, this allows many child predators to go free. Elders with no training in psychology or child abuse are not really qualified to judge if someone is likely to reoffend. The Watchtower maintains a list of potential child molesters, but others in the church are never made aware there is a predator among them. Jehovah's Witnesses are discouraged from developing friendships with non believers and tend to be quite trusting of each other, so it really is a pedophile paradise. Members may be reprimanded for talking about it, even disfellowshipped and shunned themselves, thus being victimized twice. They are counseled to "wait on Jehovah". Abuse victims have even been disfellowshipped themselve for not fighting off the abuse in the first place. These are children who have been taught to respect and obey adults, especially elders.

  Admitted child molestors (unless disfellowshipped) are not only allowed to engage in the door to door work, they are required to, just as any other Jehovah's Witness. Since child sex abusers have a high rate of recidivism, this is not just foolish, but dangerous to the public. For years the Watchtower has hidden this problem by secretly paying millions to child abuse victims and requiring non disclosure agreements. Fortunately more and more victims are refusing to do so and many cases have come before the courts. In one recent case the Watchtower had a multi million dollar judgement; in another they were fined millions for refusing to provide discovery documentation and legally required testimony. What organization does that if they have nothing to hide?

  Sadly, many rank and file Jehovah's Witnesses are still ignorant of these facts. Now that these cases are getting media attention they are even told that Satan is persecuting them by causing people to make up these allegations. Be aware that when a Jehovah's Witness asks for donations to the worldwide preaching work, the money may actually going for lawyers, judgements and hiding child molesters. The Watchtower refuses to consider changes to their policies, other than to become even more secretive. The next time a Jehovah's Witness come to your door, tell them you will not contribute to an organization that ignores victims and hides pedophiles.