Posts by LisaRose

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Are you religious or are you spiritual? Wake up to what?

by Deltawave in

there is a huge difference between been religious and been spiritual.

been religious is about been superior to others in the sight of god.

however, been spiritual is about self awareness, inner peace and unity with the natural world.

LisaRose

cappytan12 minutes agoLisaRose: I could be wrong, but I believe the BK method of meditation is quite different than "mindfulness" meditation commonly practiced by buddhists and some secularists.

Interesting, I will check that out, not that I am interested in BK, I hate it, as I do all cults, I am just curious.

Deltawave, we have had a lot of posters from the BK cult come here to post, and often they post things similar to you and are deceitful about their relationship to the cult. Unfortunately some people get out of a cult like the Jehovah's Witnesses only to fall prey to an even more destructive cult like BK. Attempting to spread their beliefs will not be tolerated here.

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Are you religious or are you spiritual? Wake up to what?

by Deltawave in

there is a huge difference between been religious and been spiritual.

been religious is about been superior to others in the sight of god.

however, been spiritual is about self awareness, inner peace and unity with the natural world.

LisaRose

Viviane, your statement certainly did make it sound like you have a problem with meditation. If you don't, then there is nothing to discuss.

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Are you religious or are you spiritual? Wake up to what?

by Deltawave in

there is a huge difference between been religious and been spiritual.

been religious is about been superior to others in the sight of god.

however, been spiritual is about self awareness, inner peace and unity with the natural world.

LisaRose

Viviane I'll be happy to answer that as soon as anyone can point out where I said anything was wrong with it.

You accused deltawave of "promoting meditation and the teachings of BK." Why would you say that if you don't have a problem with meditation?

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Are you religious or are you spiritual? Wake up to what?

by Deltawave in

there is a huge difference between been religious and been spiritual.

been religious is about been superior to others in the sight of god.

however, been spiritual is about self awareness, inner peace and unity with the natural world.

LisaRose

So what is wrong with the practice of meditation Viviane?

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G Losch: child baptised at 5, reg pioneer since!

by fifth.column in

at the end of april, there was a zone visit in france, with tv broadcast in all kh.. g. losch told he received a letter from a girl, 10 years old, baptised at 5, reg pioneer since 4 years !

what a fine example, he said....... let s imagine the faces of the parents in the kh!

i was happy to see i was not the only one to find it crazy.. if you have a child, you know how mature he is at 5. how can a child preach 2.5hours/day after 7hours of school and homework to do??

LisaRose

But he didn't tell the rest of the story. Baptized by five, then pioneered, disfellowshipped by 16.

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Mother's day according to Joseph Rutherford

by opusdei1972 in

this is what the second president of the watchtower society, the channel of god appointed in 1919, wrote about the mother's day:.

satan would turn the people away from this beautiful symbol, and therefore from god, and cause them to disregard the word of the lord.

this he does in a very subtle way by organizing what in england and in america, the chief countries of christendom, is called "mother's day".

LisaRose

What else can you expect from a religion that hates women? Despite the fact there are more women in the organization and they do the majority of the preaching work they are really barely tolerated. They are told to be submissive, to tolerate abuse and are not allowed any role in the congregation other than field service. Any baptized brother, even a child of six, is considered better than any sister, no matter how responsible, spiritually inclined, intelligent or talented.

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Did You Feel Bad For the JW Dishwasher-Cook Who Quit His Job (May JW Broadcasting)To Avoid Attending Later Meetings? He Pioneered on Welfare or Unemployment!

by RoyalFlushPhil in

did you watch the story about the jw who was working as a burger boy at some diner and his boss wanted him to work on sunday during the time of his meeting?

this faithful jw decided he could not attend a later meeting (6 pm sunday meeting) and soon quit his job(or got fired to attend his sunday meeting) so he could attend the sunday meeting he was assigned to.

i think he was on welfare because this story states he won't work on sunday morning because that's when his meeting is!

LisaRose

I wonder how many JWs watched that and thought how incredibly stupid it was to quit a job for that reason? Is his faith so weak that missing a meeting or two would cause him to lose it? Why couldn't he just start looking for employment that wouldn't conflict with the meetings? Not to mention the fact that he would have to be dishonest to collect either welfare or unemployment in that situation. It's beyond ridiculous that they would present this loser as an example to others.

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"The organisation is imperfect, but it doesn't affect my relationship with Jehovah"

by Alive! in

i've noted active, devoted jw's state the above.. and, it's not a problem for me to remain trusting of god, i just don't trust religions or men.. recently, a member of this forum stated that he remains an active jw, in the family of god's people, wanting to encourage and do good - whilst recognising that the pastoral leaders (the gb) have shipwrecked the faith of many, being unsound scripturally etc, etc.. stop and think about this - the bible says to not follow after those who lie and hurt the faith of "little ones".. the pharisees were accused of traversing over lands and expending much energy to make a single convert - only for that convert to end up worse of than he started off with.. it's one thing to not believe this is the 'truth' and feeling the awful pressure of managing ones life, trying not to lose ones family.. it's quite another thing to declare oneself to be a christian believer of god's jw household, and somehow believe the god of love would use corrupt liars to parade as jesus' brothers in the urgency of last days.

really?

and, to then visibly promote faith in corrupt men, and try to bring converts into a place where the rulership is wrong.. some of us are dying from hurt here.......give me a break..

LisaRose

then, what's the difference if the Governing Body does this or if former Jehovah's Witnesses do it?

The difference is we don't want your heart, your soul or your money.

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Attention Lurkers- what the org is really doing

by stuckinamovement in

jw
friends

the message has changed dramatically from the good news of the kingdom and imitation of jesus to the following:.

1. keep your eye simple and try to find a low paying part time job so you can pioneer.

such jobs might be janitorial or house cleaning, yard care, etc.

LisaRose

7 hrs 35 min a week that has to be a joke. I know I wasted a lot of my life reading and trying to make sense of that trash, but never spent that long.

You are being manipulated. You might think you are getting away with something, but they know going in most won't meet such unrealistic expectations. It doesn't matter to them how much useless study you engage in or how many not at homes you knock at, as long as you don't question things or stop donating.

The goal is to keep you too busy to question things or too guilty to question things, either way they win.

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They're Making it Impossible to Fade

by DarioKehl in

for those of you who have already faded due to family still being in, have you noticed how the noose is tightening?.

if it's not memorial, it's special day assembly.

if it's not that, it's convention or the special talk.

LisaRose

I think a lot of it is in how you respond when questioned. If you don't feel guilty and refuse to give out any personal details, the elders will have a hard time getting to you. We all know JWs who get away with horrible conduct and never seem to get caught.

Not that it's your fault, they have had years to control you and even knowing the TTATT does not make the mind control go away over night. But the sooner you can get to the point where you know you owe nothing to these people, the sooner you can break free. It's a process, it takes some people longer than others.