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  The real issue is long term solvency.

  by joe134cd in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ok every one raves on at how miserable and tight wt is, while they are literally swimming in money and assets.

  although this may be true this isn't the real issue or the problem to begin with.

  the problem is having a long term survivable business plan.

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  LisaRose

  But isn't this, supposed to be a religion, not a business? Why aren't they trusting in Jehovah, something they have advised everyone else to do?
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  One month researching my doubts: my crucial issues with WTBTS - what are yours?

  by Tornintwo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so after 20 years a convert, about a month ago i decided to start listening to my doubts and to do independent research about the wtbts teachings (naughty me).

  as a result i have consolidated my position on various points and these are my major issues with the wtbts teachings, i am posting these to help myself figure things out (with your assistance) and hopefully to hear from others at their stage of drawing away from the gb - newbies' especially.

  in the form of notes so hope you dont mind...child abuse.

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  LisaRose

  After may years away from the religion my list is pretty much the same. I agree with those here who advise to take it slow. Since you have family and friends you don't want to lose you have a lot to think about. There are no easy answers, so make sure you can live with the long term consequences of any decisions. It's rough to lose family and friends, it's also rough to live a lie, either way it's better to know ttatt (truth about the truth) than not.
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  What is true love?

  by hoser in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i just watched the video what is true love.

  first of all it is painfully long.

  secondly there is an uncanny resemblance with megan(the one who married out of the truth) to the girl in the jeremiah book who married out of the truth.

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  LisaRose

  Life is too short, my heart goes out to you. I can relate to your experiences, I never felt like I fit in either. I wasn't trying to be different, it's just the way I was, but I couldn't figure out why some people couldn't stand me, I was a bit shy and introverted, but I was always nice to people. This happened in other groups, not just the Jehovah's Witnesses, but it was ten times worse at the Kingdom Hall.

  What helped me was taking a class in the Meyers Briggs personality evaluation. I realized see that a lot of JWs lwere probably opposite to the type I was, INFP, and that the group as a whole was a type that was my opposite type. My type will always have a hard time fitting into any group, but especially one like the Jehovah's Witnesses. I wasn't bad, I was just different. People who had a different personality type might have an easier time fitting in with others, might enjoy the meetings and field service more and will usually see me as being the wrong one. There is no excuse for people of that type treating others bad, but it's sort of more understandable once you see why they do.

  Once I realized there was nothing wrong with me and that I would really never fit in, I was able to break free from the religion. JWs who liked being JWs weren't better than me, they were just different.
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  Happy Memorial Day

  by Perry in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  just wishing a happy memorial day to everyone!

  we had some friends over, barbecued and let the kids run around slap crazy playing cops and robbers and hide and go seek.

  we have so many freedoms that those under tyranny do not have.

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  LisaRose

  I had a wonderful weeknd, went to a bed and breakfast in Sutter Creek California, in the foothills of the Sierra Nevada mountains. This was the heart of the California gold country, but is becoming more known as wine country these days. We did some wine tasting and had a really nice time.
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  Could you ever really relax in a self-driving car?

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  i love science and technology and we are living in a golden age right now.

  the world has changed in so many incredible ways just in the time i've been alive.. my first car was a vauxhall viva.

  it was brilliant because it was my first car and represented freedom.

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  LisaRose

  Such involuntary application of the brakes could cause an accident if there is a car behind you going at high speed.

  This could just as easily happen with human drivers. You should never be following so close behind another driver that you can't stop if they should apply the breaks suddenly.

  So far in testing of self driving cars, there have been eleven accidents in 1.7 million miles, none due to the fault of the self driving cars. I like those odds.
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  Doing away with Calculating How Close we are to THE END

  by FusionTheism in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the watchtower study edition, august 2015, "keep in expectation!

  " article:.

  paragraph 3: "after looking forward to the end of this system for what may seem to be a long time, however, some may wonder, do we still have sound reasons to keep in expectation?

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  LisaRose

  When I was bamboozled into joining this religion in 1969 all Jehovah WItnesses believed the end was coming in 1975 or very soon thereafter. If any one questioned this they were accused of being weak in faith.

  Despite the fact that this was a failed prediction, just like every other prediction they have made, they still pretend the end is eminent. They get away with it because memories are short, people are gullible and fear is useful in manipulating people. I believe many do not enjoy being in a doomsday cult, but they stay because "what if they are right" fear overcomes rational thought.
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  10th Anniversary

  by geevee in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  just popped in to say hi and let you know that my wife and i have been "out" for 10 years!!!

  wow a whole decade without going to a meeting or out door to door.. no bolts of lightening, only a couple of visits in all that time by some petrified elders and a couple of newbie locals knocking on our door in all that time!.

  how wonderful!

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  LisaRose

  Congrats! But are you sure you didn't turn into a better, angry apostate complete with horns and tail?
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  Could you ever really relax in a self-driving car?

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  i love science and technology and we are living in a golden age right now.

  the world has changed in so many incredible ways just in the time i've been alive.. my first car was a vauxhall viva.

  it was brilliant because it was my first car and represented freedom.

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  LisaRose

  Sure, it can't be any worse than my husband's driving.
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  plagiarism in the bible- what I have learnt part one

  by purrpurr in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i have recently been studying the myths and legends of other pre- jewish cultures.

  such as babylonian, egyptian and greek.

  these stories and beliefs are all pre dating the writing of the jewish torah and the new testament.

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  LisaRose

  Yeah, it's kind of deflating when you realize the bible, something you once believed was sacred and inspired by God, was just a collection of modern urban legends of the time.
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  Spirituality

  by Jonathan Drake in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if you are a current practitioner of some religious faith i would appreciate it if you abstained from this thread entirely.

  im curious if anyone has had what could be discribed as a spiritual experience.

  i'm currently reading sam harris book waking up and it's very good so far.

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  LisaRose

  Well DJS, I don't agree with you, or as at least not 100%, but I would never push the dislike button because I don't agree with a poster.

  I always wondered why some religious people reported some communication with God, I never felt that, so I wondered why they felt that way. Now that I meditate I think they are just feeling an altered state of consciousness brought on by meditation, only they weren't trying to meditate, they were praying. Of course they felt what happened was from God, since they were praying at the time. But people in every religion feel this, so it proves nothing about any particular religion, or that God exists.
  

  I read an interesting article recently about an experiment. They had people live with out artificial light for several weeks. When it got dark they went to sleep or sat in the dark. Many people in the study started waking up after three or four hours. They then experienced an altered state, they felt very peaceful and aware and alive. Then they went back to sleep. Maybe this is what our ancestors experienced before artificial light became the norm and meditation and/or religion is just an attempt to get back what was lost. We know sleep is essential for good health, perhaps this altered state is just as essential.

  I don't know if spirituality can exist for those that don't believe in God, but I am interested in the concept and plan to do further study. Of course it's just a feeling, and of course feelings can mislead you, but I also think it sometimes important to pay attention to them.