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  An interesting theory on Stephen Lett

  by joe134cd in

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  interesting theory i thought on stephen lett.

  if anything i would of thought tomo3 would of caused them more grief with his comments.. http://insidethewatchtower.com/governing-body/stephen-lett-dumped-from-governing-body/.

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  LisaRose

  He is an embarrassment, and the fact that they continue to put him in front of a camera tells you that the clowns are running the circus.
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  Why don’t we have a better story?

  by iconoclastic in

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  1. some say we are all gods, and god is omnipresent..

  2. some say: god created his children who later challenged his sovereignty, who in turn asked his eldest son: go down to the world, do not resist the wicked, but be murdered by them, the value of which will be used to atone the sins of the world..

  3. universe arose out of a big bang.

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  If Sir Issac Newton were alive today I doubt he would be making that statement, we have learned a thing or two in the last three hundred years . You argument is known as an "appeal to authority", but it is weak because, while Isaac Newton was a really smart guy, he knew nothing about DNA, the fossil record and evolution, and a few thousand other things that have been discovered since his time.

  And scientists are actually quite close to creating a functioning artificial hand. While evolution got a head start of millions of years, recent advances in all fields of science make it a certainty that fully functioning artificial limbs will be a available in the near future.

  Way back in the early eighties I worked for a company that had a computer to automate tracking their manufacturing process. The computer took up an entire large room, and it held less data that my current smart phone. In fact, knowledge in all science fields has increased dramatically in those 35 years. At that time I was still a JW and believed evolution was a hoax perpetrated by scientists, but to believe that today you have to stick your head in the sand. Why would you do that?

  If God exists, he certainly doesn't want you to live in ignorance. At one time people were persecuted for believing the earth revolved the sun, as if that somehow disproved God's existence. But knowledge won out and people kept believing in God. Not believing in evolution today is equivalent to believing the sun revolves around the earth. So why are you so afraid to look at the evidence objectively? Is your faith so weak that it will wither if you do?
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  Elders are Complicit with WT Society in Child Abuse Scandals- Gonzalo Campos Case

  by flipper in

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  2. child-abuse

  of course, most of us realize this.

  however sometimes even on this board sometimes threads have stated that the jw elders have been occasionally painted as the " fall guys " who take the rap for the wt society leaders - which of course is true - to a degree.

  however- that being said , many times elders have failed to protect - or even have failed to advocate for child abuse victims when it has been within their power to do so.

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  Mandated reporting laws and how it applies to clergy-penitant privilege vary from state to state. In California, clegy-penitent privilege only applies to pastoral communications, so If the elders had learned of the abuse only from Campos himself they would not have had to report it, had but since they learned of the abuse from another source they should have reported it (assuming that law,was in effect at the time).

  What makes me mad is that most religions retain clergy-penitant privilege to maintain confidentiality and protect the person involved, but the Watchtower doesn't care about that, they only care about protecting themselves. They keep records of any confessions that are made in the judicial committee, which belies the concept of such privilege. It's also not unknown for details of judicial committee hearings to be leaked by elders to their wives or others (except of course when it comes to pedophiles), which also weakens their claim of privilege.
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  Do or did the JW's believe dinosaurs were vegetarians?

  by Crazyguy in

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  i thought at one time or maybe they still do believe that the dinosaurs were vegetarians?

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  LisaRose

  Actually, some dinosaurs were herbivores.
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  My experience of christians and religion

  by Doltologist in

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  2. experiences

  one or two of you have noticed that i use derogatory terms when talking about matters religion.

  i offer no apology.

  you do, however, deserve an explanation.. my father, bless him and now dead, was a survivor of belsen, the german concentration camp.

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  Doltologist, your parents were idiots, being C of E had little to do with it. Religion can make us better people or not, to the extent we can look at ourselves, see our own faults and let it motivate us to be better. It doesn't work when people won't do that, as with your parents. There are churches that address these kinds of things, so not all Christians are like your parents. I am not too familiar with C and E, being American, but plenty of churches are attempting to teach altruism, empathy and true morality (that not having to do sex). That most fail is why they are on the decline, imo.

  Given your history it's understandable that you hate religion, but I find your use of made up terms to be annoying and it's hard to take you seriously because of it. We all have had our moments of making fun of the Watchtower and religion in general, but most of us moved on at some point. You may want to think about why you still have a lot of anger towards your parents. While understandable, is it really serving you well in your life right now? I'd there the possibility of letting it go? Just something to think about.

  One of the goals of this board it to help those who are leaving or at least having doubts about the Watchtower. They may very well be turned off by your use of such terms and not stick around to learn more that could help them get free of the Watchtower. They have been conditioned to think that all us apostates are evil, horrible people who want to tear down the faith of others. This fear is so strong that even if they hate the Watchtower they may be hesitant to come here. I myself didn't find this site until eight years after leaving the Watchtower, even as I knew it was not the truth.

  
  
  
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  PERFECTION (ISM) leaves no trace of YOU

  by TerryWalstrom in

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  2. friends

  the problem of perfection(ism).

  the best piece of advice i got was from my art teacher, aubrey mayhew.he told me, "art isn't about 'getting it right.

  ' it's about your mistaken views which you give yourself permission to explore.".

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  I like the quote that says "art is the lie that reveals the truth."

  I saw a sculpture in a gallery of a crouching man. It was crudely constructed of newspaper and duct tape, but it was more memorable than any bronze sculptures I have ever seen. You felt the power in the thing, that at any moment that man was going to stand up and do something.

  I know enough about the creative process to know that being afraid (of not reaching perfection, or of people not liking it, of people will think you are stupid, etc) will keep you from doing your best work. When you let that go, when you accept that you are deeply flawed (as we all are) then you can start to have something.
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  Why don’t we have a better story?

  by iconoclastic in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  1. some say we are all gods, and god is omnipresent..

  2. some say: god created his children who later challenged his sovereignty, who in turn asked his eldest son: go down to the world, do not resist the wicked, but be murdered by them, the value of which will be used to atone the sins of the world..

  3. universe arose out of a big bang.

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  LisaRose

  
  iconoclastic4 hours agoYou all are explaining this with such an ease you would explain how giraffe got its long neck.

  That one is really easy. Millions of years ago there were ancestors of modern day giraffes that ate tree leaves, however their necks were shorter. A giraffe is born who has a gene mutation that causes it to have a longer neck. Because this gives it an advantage (access to more leaves others cannot reach) it is healthier and stronger and more likely to reproduce and pass on the beneficial DNA mutation. Any offspring of the taller neck giraffe with that mutation is also stronger and more likely to reproduce. Over time the short neck gene dies out and the tall neck gene dominates. This happens over and over until all giraffes have very long necks

  duction, a core-issue—as important as creation—the very process that ensured the next generation. So question is not that easy!!!!!
  How can an organism (whether the simplest form or extremely complex form) come into existence—first without the copying ability, and pick up the copying ability later on its way?

  I don't know what you mean by "copying ability" . All evolution is based on DNA. It started with simple one celled organisms and progressed from there. All organisms have DNA, so any changes are copied and passed down via DNA. Any genetic mutation to the DNA that results in an advantage to that organism in terms of survival and reproduction will tend to get passed down to the offspring. Any mutation that is not beneficial is not as likely since the organism will not survive or reproduce. Over millions of years and millions of genetic mutations the result is the world as we know it, with all the diversity of plants and animals.
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  'Conti' Court decision secures Watchtower's Policy of confidentiality

  by telemetry11 in

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  2. child-abuse

  the court on the rule of confidentiality of penitential communications and evidentiary privilege--.. decision reads:.

  "the law generally protects the confidentiality of communications with clergy like those of kendrick to the elders here.".

  "if the person has a constitutional right to independence in making religious choices, the recognition of an evidentiary privilege is an apt means of protecting that autonomy.

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  LisaRose

  I am surprised that they ruled that this was a case of clergy- penitent privilege. I thought I read a few years ago that this didn't apply to judicial committee hearings of Jehovah's Witnesses, although I could be remembering this wrong. Even if a JC qualifies I am surprised that they ruled that this was a case because Kendrick did not confess, or at least not totally, this was a complaint by the mother of the victim, so how does clergy-penitent priviledge apply?
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  Are atheists more likely to be morally good than Christians?

  by FusionTheism in

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  2. beliefs

  i have no problem saying atheists and christians are equal.. but some people seem to have the belief that atheists are more likely to be morally good, or more likely to change the world for good, than christians and theists.. but what evidence do you have to support this claim?.

  if atheism is what causes people to do great positive things for the world, then why weren't martin luther king, jr., william wilberforce, isaac newton, francis collins, barack obama, mother theresa, abraham lincoln, or john f. kennedy atheists?.

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  I feel that losing faith in God ultimately made me a better and more moral person. As a Jehovah's Witness I let the WTBT define what was moral. Since I don't have anyone telling what is right or wrong I have to give it a lot more thought. I am still moral in most of the ways that that is defined in society, I don't lie, cheat or steal, I didn't need religion to tell me that.

  I also think more about how my actions affect others, I guess you would call it the nuances of morality. I seek in everything to be kind wherever possible, to seek out the greater good, to give something back to society when I am able. My goodness isn't measured in field service reports, or magazines sold or not celebrating holidays, but it is in my soul, I know when I am being my best self, when my actions match my values, that is what being moral is to me.

  
  

  
  
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  Why are Battle Against Faith

  by Jonathan Drake in

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  2. beliefs

  if any are willing, share your fact based reasons for viewing faith as dangerous.

  viewing faith as dangerous is the reason for almost all of my posts recently.

  what seems constant is that theists are too focused on there own little world to realize how and why faith is so damaging to society.

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  LisaRose

  Sorry Talesin, I hit the dislike button by mistake, I have fat fingers tonight, I meant to hit the like button.