It's a slap in the face to those who contributed to and help build a kingdom hall that was close to them. I think some people will meekly accept it while others will not be happy to be so inconvenienced. I am sure some will figure out that it's more about the Watchtower's bottom line and less about the needs of the congregation.
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Are There Good People Out There?
by LaurenM ineven though i'm no longer mentally a jw (i still technically am) i do recognize that there are some benefits to being raised one.
for example, the first (and only so far) wordly guy i was involved with had to smoke weed every day and got drunk all the time and that was his idea of fun.
i couldn't help but feel bad for him.
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LisaRose
Thanks everyone for your comments eo far! I do know that not all non-JWs are "bad". I guess it's just hard to get that mentality out of your head when you've been taught it for so long..and of course "bad" and "good" is a very relative thing..
It's understandable you get thoughts like that because you have been in a cult that uses mind control. It's hard for you to see it at this point, but they do a good job of making people doubt themselves and fear life outside the organization. They are like sound bites that go off in your head, "worldly people are all bad" "the Watchtower is the only safe place", etc. It takes years for this to go away completely. Just hang in there and give yourself some time to figure out who you are as a person and what you need in a partner. Once you do that you will be in a better position to know the right person when you find them.
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4 versions of Jesus resurrection- all different
by purrpurr ini've been reading more and studying about the bible .
it was brought to my notice that out of the four different versions of jesus resurrection they do not back each other up.
instead they contradict each other a lot.
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LisaRose
Saying the bible doesn't contradict itself is like taking a square peg and cutting it down and then using a hammer to force it to go into a round hole. And then you go around and telling everyone it fits, and if anyone mentions the gaps you tell them they aren't looking at it right.
What were Jesus' last words?
Jesus' last words
MAT 27:46,50: "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?" that is to say, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" ...Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost."
LUK 23:46: "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, "Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:" and having said thus, he gave up the ghost."
JOH 19:30: "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, "It is finished:" and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."
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Are There Good People Out There?
by LaurenM ineven though i'm no longer mentally a jw (i still technically am) i do recognize that there are some benefits to being raised one.
for example, the first (and only so far) wordly guy i was involved with had to smoke weed every day and got drunk all the time and that was his idea of fun.
i couldn't help but feel bad for him.
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LisaRose
Sorry, I don't buy it that there are benefits to being raised JW. Just because the guy you chose to get involved with did drugs, it doesn't mean every so called "worldly person" does them. There are lots of good, drug free people out there, and lots of JWs do drugs on the down low also. My husband was never a JW and he doesn't do drugs, nor do I.
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Africa for the Africans, Asia for the Asians, White Countries for Everyone!
by seahorse321 inasia for the asians, africa for the africans, white countries for everybody!.
everybody says there is this race problem.
everybody says this race problem will be solved when the third world pours into every white country and only into white countries.. the netherlands and belgium are just as crowded as japan or taiwan, but nobody says japan or taiwan will solve this race problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.. everybody says the final solution to this race problem is for every white country and only white countries to assimilate, i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.. what if i said there was this race problem and this race problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into every black country and only into black countries?.
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The BEST day of your life-------and the WORST day of your life?
by eyeuse2badub inthis topic may have been an op previously but i didn't get an opportunity to comment so here goes;.
mine are pretty simple;.
it was the day i married my beautiful wife of 49 years.
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LisaRose
Best Day of my life: The day I flew to Denver to meet a guy I knew High school. I wouldn't date him because he wasn't a JW.After twenty eight years we connected up through classmates.com. He picked me up at the airport and took me to the Butterfly Pavilian near Boulder (large atrium you can walk through). He gone down on one knee and pulled out a ring and asked me to marry him.
Worst day. The day my sixteen year old daughter tried to slit her wrists. Fortunately the pain shocked her out of finishing, but it was a nightmare.
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GB member Geoffrey Jackson is lying!
by Billy the Ex-Bethelite inokay, i know the royal commission hasn't started yet.
but i'm confident enough that he will be telling some whoppers.
so i thought i'd be the first to get a thread started for something that will begin... very soon now!.
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LisaRose
t was explicitly stated in the letter elders should not apologize to those df'ed based on previous understanding when they ask for reinstating. This demonstrates very well how humble the Society is when an apology is needed...
Welcome Alcyone, it's good to hear the RC hearings are waking some people up. After saying such reports are apostate lies they made themselves look foolish, since they couldn't dispute the fact that they do have a problem with pedophiles and their weak defence of their procedures being bible based were shown to be a questionable.
The closest they got to an apology was after the 75 fiasco. After misleading people by making them believe Armageddon would come in 1975 they said that "some" went ahead of the things written. No explanation as to who "some" people were, or why that did not make them false prophets. People sold their homes and lived on the proceeds (and were praised and held up as an example), others put off getting married or having children. The Awake said young people would have to accept the fact that they would never have time for a career in this system. After misleading people into making bad life changing decisions, they took zero responsibility for their mistake. -
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The Vedas - Scientific Knowledge - Prophecy - The Truth?
by LAWHFol inthe vedas are the core sacred texts for the people of the east.
generally the vedas are to the east as the hebrew scriptures are to the west.
supporters of the bible, boast of it's scientific accuracy,prophetic accuracy & general infallibility.
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LisaRose
Why are books considered sacred simply because they were written centuries ago? Most such books contain some wisdom, but it's usually wrapped up in a bunch of mumbo jumbo, which is to be expected of people who had no knowledge of science. It's like trying to use the users manual of an IBM selectric to fix your Apple computer, there may be a few things that apply, but it's mostly useless.
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We are celebrating b-day tonight!
by StarTrekAngel innot that we have not done it before, but the event would come about out a mutual understanding.
never a word or any more than just "we are going out to dinner".
the news this time is that my wife, out of her own initiative, suggested this morning that we should go out and celebrate our daughters b-day.
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LisaRose
Celebrating the day of one's birth is a wonderful tradition that harms no one. The Watchtower is ridiculous for prohibiting it. I hope you have a wonderful time. -
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Jehovah's Witness Leader: There's a 'Spiritual Dilemma' in Reporting Sexual Abuse
by defender of truth inthe article is a good summary to show people who are too busy to read the transcript.
the main points are covered, without jackson's waffling... this is my favourite quote:.
jackson also testified that while there havent been any particular discussion among church leadership about apologizing to victims of sexual abuse, its perceivable that they might consider doing so.
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LisaRose
One of the comments from the above article (from Stephocles) stated very well how JWs bring this spiritual dilemma upon themselves by treating child abuse as a SIN instead of a CRIME
Good point Dumplin, that is their problem. They stubbornly chose to treat this just like any other sexual sin, despite a mountain of evidence that people who have had sex with children will almost always continue to prefer to have sex with children. While it's possible that they can refrain from doing so, it's not at all a good bet, and pretending otherwise has disastrous consequences.
Instead they seem to engage in magical thinking, that everything will be OK because three elders, who have no special training or knowledge of pedophilia, decided this person has repented and is not a danger.