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  Did anybody this week mention that JR Brown died?

  by ShirleyW in

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  was just mentioned on rick fearon's (yes i know a lot here don't care for him) videoconference.

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  LisaRose

  There was a thread about it.
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  Have not had a visit in over a year

  by dogon in

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  i have been out of the cult for over 20 years.

  i left when the idiots changed the meaning of generation in 95 and the internet came to life giving me the links to see just what a mind numb bunch i was with.

  i now live in a populated area where there is a hall about half a mile away.

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  LisaRose

  No, I wish. I had to ask six times, write a letter, call the kingdom hall and threaten to call the police before they stopped knocking on my door.
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  Are quality restaurants even slightly aware of the concept..

  by The Rebel in

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  of providing high quality food?.

  personally i prefer the small restaurants with a owner who cooks the food.

  often the food is equally imaginative and just as tasty as the more expensive restaurant.

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  LisaRose

  Good for you JW daughter. I too make everything from scratch, but only because I have to. I have an intestinal issue and the only way to not be sick all the time is to follow a very strict diet, no sugar, grains or potatoes at all, I have to make my own yogurt, mayonnaise, seasoning mixes, salad dressings, etc., because sugar and starch are in everything manufactured, often even when not on the label. It's not as bad as it sounds because I usually made my own food anyway, but it does require a lot of extra cooking, especially as my husband doesn't eat that way. It did cause to get more creative with what I do eat, and I eat a ton more vegetables.

  But it's worth it, the two years I spent before I figured out what was wrong was miserable. I consulted a GP and a specialist, neither of whom diagnosed me correctly. It's called the Specific Carbohydrate diet. The idea is that many people cannot digest certain carbs, so they sit in the intestines and feed bad bacteria causing a whole host of bad things to happen.. You can have fruit and honey because those carbs do not need to be broken down to be absorbed. As a plus I have lost weight and my fibromyalgia is gone, no muscle tenderness at all after thirty years.
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  What is the purpose of life?

  by slimboyfat in

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  2. beliefs

  while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

  because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

  i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

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  LisaRose

  I like that poem. The older I get the more I realize that the little things are really what life is all about. The chance encounter with a stranger that somehow makes your day even though no words were spoken. The opportunity to be there for someone at the right time. The hug of a friend. A moment of time spent with someone in perfect harmony. The moment you complete a creative work and are happy with it. The purr of a cat
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  Are quality restaurants even slightly aware of the concept..

  by The Rebel in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  of providing high quality food?.

  personally i prefer the small restaurants with a owner who cooks the food.

  often the food is equally imaginative and just as tasty as the more expensive restaurant.

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  LisaRose

  We are lucky to have a good neighborhood restaurant within walking distance of our house. It's a "cheers" kind of thing where everybody knows your name. I am on a very restricted diet due to intestinal issues and they are always happy to make substitutions, which I really appreciate. The chef is young and always trying news things which we like. There is another restaurant (also within walking distance) that has good food, but the service is spotty and the bar is sub standard. We would go there a lot more often if not for the issues, so they are basically losing business because they can't make a decent gin and tonic.
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  What's Is The Goal Of This Religion?

  by pale.emperor in

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  what's is the goal of this religion?.

  i mean, if it's for money they could do a lot more like other religions do: tithing, paying for prayers from the gb, selling "miracles", selling "blessed" items, selling courses.. if its for power then what are they hoping to do with that power?

  they dont seem to do anything.

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  LisaRose

  The religion is sort of a self licking ice cream cone, isn't it?

  I was always told that their purpose was to declare Jehovah's Kingdom and to preach throughout the earth. Yet despite the millions of hours spent in the preaching work I doubt more than a tiny fraction of people know what the kingdom is or what it is supposed to accomplish, and most people in the world have probably never even heard of Jehovah's Witnesses.

  If proclaiming God's kingdom was the goal, they failed. If their goal is to keep people in servitude and ignorant they have succeeded.
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  interesting question

  by jayjay78 in

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  firstly i'm a df'd witness.. i was in the org all my life.. vividly remember out witnessing as a kid in the 80s with my mum and having apostates jumping houses before we could get to them ..all the way up the street.. remember it because the guy looked like tom baker from dr who - frizzy hair and long colourful scarf.. i think the people at the doors were made more curious by them actually, so when we knocked ,they were inclined to have a listen.. anyway i'm out and cant see myself ever going back,because my family has fully shunned me..and even if i was to go back and be a member..i don't think i could forgive them...totally scarred me.. anyway my question is :.

  if you were head of this religion and you wanted to keep it clean and pure etc..how would you deal with people who delib broke the rules?.

  no shunning of course..but whats the alternative?

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  LisaRose

  The alternative is to treat people as human beings, with kindness and dignity.

  In reading the scriptures that the Watchtower uses to justify shunning, you might think about the fact that there is no mention of a secret committee of three elders, an official announcement or use of the word disfellowship. Those are things that they made up and I think they have gone far beyond what the scriptures intended. The rules are set up in a way that often leaves elders with little recourse but to disfellowshipped, the process is very much stacked against the person who has been accused.

  My opinion is that if you have a member of your congregation who claims to be Christian but who you know is openly acts in a way that is contrary to Christian values, then you should then stop associating with them. It's something that an individual would decide based on their knowledge of that person and their conduct. It's not based on a one time mistake and it doesn't apply to people who aren't associating with the congregation.

  For example, a man leaves his wife and lives with another woman without getting divorced but still attend the meetings, then you would stop talking to him. But if a man cheated on his wife once and you happened to hear about it, you would not stop talking to him because everyone makes mistakes. Or if someone leaves the religion and then did things contrary to Christian values you would not need to stop talking to him because he is not claiming to be Christian so there is no need to do anything.

  I believe the Watchtower uses shunning to keep and maintain control, not primarily to keep the congregation clean. There is a lot of evidence that the process is unfair, in that elders and their families are treated more leniently, that women are penalised more than men, and that it is often used even when the person has done nothing wrong, or has has expressed sincere repentance. It places a burden on family members who feel they must shun, even when they know the person has done nothing wrong or is repentant. It's a cruel system that has resulted in many broken families and suicides, there is nothing remotely Christian about it.

  
  
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  More similarities with North Korea

  by neat blue dog in

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  2. beliefs

  other posts have mentioned the similarities between jws and n. korea with regards to uniformity of dress and grooming, backlash for criticism and being hard to escape.

  just thought i'd add a couple more, thanks to quotes from david mikkelson and john delury, a n. korea analyst at yonsei university in seoul, s. korea:.

  north korea is notorious for a lack of transparency.

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  LisaRose

  I watched a documentary called State of Mind about two young gymnasts who were training for the Pyongyang Mass Games, it was very interesting (it was on Netflix at one time, not sure now). It did seem like North Korea was one big cult. These girls train for eight months to perform at the games, they feel it is a big honor and they must be absolutely perfect, it reflects on the entire family and they make a lot of sacrifices to enable the girls to perform. After all that their leader didn't even show up to watch the games.

  Everyone is told the reason they don't have enough food is because the U.S. wants them to die, and they believe it because no one is allowed to say anything different. They are just as mind controlled as anyone in a religious cult.
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  Taking the Bible Lessons And Going To a KH For First Time

  by Cold Steel in

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  i've taken the bible lessons but have never attended a kingdom hall.

  i was curious as to what point they begin to tighten the screws of control?

  let's say you're a baptist.

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  LisaRose

  The book of Mormon is a joke, full of anachronisms and errors. Large portions of it were copied from the King James Bible. In fact, errors that existed in the King James bible of the time were replicated by Joseph Smith, which would be expected if he just made the whole thing up, but hard to explain if it was actually dictated by God.

  It claims that American Indians are descended from Semites, but DNA testing proves that they are actually of Asian origin.

  It claims that many things existed in meso America, like blacksmithing, chariots and steel swords when none of them were at that time.

  It describes animals that were not in the Americas at the time, like cattle, dogs, sheep, goats and elephants.
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  When you were fully in, did you believe that you would not die?

  by TTWSYF in

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  i know that it must seem silly to ask, but my brother and his family think that the big a will arrive before they die.

  i tried to explain to my brother that everyone else who has ever lived in the past has died and only jesus has [physically] rose from the dead.. it is amazing that anyone could buy that line.

  what crazy cult culture that could make people believe such nonsense?!.

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  LisaRose

  Someone probably just hit dislike on accident ttdtt, it happens sometimes.

  I converted when I was 13 in 1969, andI did believe I wouldn't die because we all thought Armageddon was going to come in 1975. After that I wasn't as sure and by the time I left in 1999 I had long since given up on the idea.