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  4 versions of Jesus resurrection- all different

  by purrpurr in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've been reading more and studying about the bible .

  it was brought to my notice that out of the four different versions of jesus resurrection they do not back each other up.

  instead they contradict each other a lot.

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  LisaRose

  Saying the bible doesn't contradict itself is like taking a square peg and cutting it down and then using a hammer to force it to go into a round hole. And then you go around and telling everyone it fits, and if anyone mentions the gaps you tell them they aren't looking at it right.

  What were Jesus' last words?

  Jesus' last words

  MAT 27:46,50: "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?" that is to say, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" ...Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost."

  LUK 23:46: "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, "Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:" and having said thus, he gave up the ghost."

  JOH 19:30: "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, "It is finished:" and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."
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  Are There Good People Out There?

  by LaurenM in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  even though i'm no longer mentally a jw (i still technically am) i do recognize that there are some benefits to being raised one.

  for example, the first (and only so far) wordly guy i was involved with had to smoke weed every day and got drunk all the time and that was his idea of fun.

  i couldn't help but feel bad for him.

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  Sorry, I don't buy it that there are benefits to being raised JW. Just because the guy you chose to get involved with did drugs, it doesn't mean every so called "worldly person" does them. There are lots of good, drug free people out there, and lots of JWs do drugs on the down low also. My husband was never a JW and he doesn't do drugs, nor do I.
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  Africa for the Africans, Asia for the Asians, White Countries for Everyone!

  by seahorse321 in

  1. social
  2. current

  asia for the asians, africa for the africans, white countries for everybody!.

  everybody says there is this race problem.

  everybody says this race problem will be solved when the third world pours into every white country and only into white countries.. the netherlands and belgium are just as crowded as japan or taiwan, but nobody says japan or taiwan will solve this race problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.. everybody says the final solution to this race problem is for every white country and only white countries to assimilate, i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.. what if i said there was this race problem and this race problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into every black country and only into black countries?.

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  LisaRose

  Go sell crazy somewhere else, we are all full up here.
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  The BEST day of your life-------and the WORST day of your life?

  by eyeuse2badub in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  this topic may have been an op previously but i didn't get an opportunity to comment so here goes;.

  mine are pretty simple;.

  it was the day i married my beautiful wife of 49 years.

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  LisaRose

  Best Day of my life: The day I flew to Denver to meet a guy I knew High school. I wouldn't date him because he wasn't a JW.After twenty eight years we connected up through classmates.com. He picked me up at the airport and took me to the Butterfly Pavilian near Boulder (large atrium you can walk through). He gone down on one knee and pulled out a ring and asked me to marry him.

  Worst day. The day my sixteen year old daughter tried to slit her wrists. Fortunately the pain shocked her out of finishing, but it was a nightmare.
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  GB member Geoffrey Jackson is lying!

  by Billy the Ex-Bethelite in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  okay, i know the royal commission hasn't started yet.

  but i'm confident enough that he will be telling some whoppers.

  so i thought i'd be the first to get a thread started for something that will begin... very soon now!.

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  t was explicitly stated in the letter elders should not apologize to those df'ed based on previous understanding when they ask for reinstating. This demonstrates very well how humble the Society is when an apology is needed...

  Welcome Alcyone, it's good to hear the RC hearings are waking some people up. After saying such reports are apostate lies they made themselves look foolish, since they couldn't dispute the fact that they do have a problem with pedophiles and their weak defence of their procedures being bible based were shown to be a questionable.

  
  The closest they got to an apology was after the 75 fiasco. After misleading people by making them believe Armageddon would come in 1975 they said that "some" went ahead of the things written. No explanation as to who "some" people were, or why that did not make them false prophets. People sold their homes and lived on the proceeds (and were praised and held up as an example), others put off getting married or having children. The Awake said young people would have to accept the fact that they would never have time for a career in this system. After misleading people into making bad life changing decisions, they took zero responsibility for their mistake.
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  The Vedas - Scientific Knowledge - Prophecy - The Truth?

  by LAWHFol in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the vedas are the core sacred texts for the people of the east.

  generally the vedas are to the east as the hebrew scriptures are to the west.

  supporters of the bible, boast of it's scientific accuracy,prophetic accuracy & general infallibility.

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  Why are books considered sacred simply because they were written centuries ago? Most such books contain some wisdom, but it's usually wrapped up in a bunch of mumbo jumbo, which is to be expected of people who had no knowledge of science. It's like trying to use the users manual of an IBM selectric to fix your Apple computer, there may be a few things that apply, but it's mostly useless.
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  We are celebrating b-day tonight!

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  not that we have not done it before, but the event would come about out a mutual understanding.

  never a word or any more than just "we are going out to dinner".

  the news this time is that my wife, out of her own initiative, suggested this morning that we should go out and celebrate our daughters b-day.

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  LisaRose

  Celebrating the day of one's birth is a wonderful tradition that harms no one. The Watchtower is ridiculous for prohibiting it. I hope you have a wonderful time.
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  Jehovah's Witness Leader: There's a 'Spiritual Dilemma' in Reporting Sexual Abuse

  by defender of truth in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  the article is a good summary to show people who are too busy to read the transcript.

  the main points are covered, without jackson's waffling... this is my favourite quote:.

  jackson also testified that while there havent been any particular discussion among church leadership about apologizing to victims of sexual abuse, its perceivable that they might consider doing so.

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  One of the comments from the above article (from Stephocles) stated very well how JWs bring this spiritual dilemma upon themselves by treating child abuse as a SIN instead of a CRIME

  Good point Dumplin, that is their problem. They stubbornly chose to treat this just like any other sexual sin, despite a mountain of evidence that people who have had sex with children will almost always continue to prefer to have sex with children. While it's possible that they can refrain from doing so, it's not at all a good bet, and pretending otherwise has disastrous consequences.

  Instead they seem to engage in magical thinking, that everything will be OK because three elders, who have no special training or knowledge of pedophilia, decided this person has repented and is not a danger.
  
  
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  Geoffrey Jackson's Golden Apple watch INVESTIGATED

  by C0ntr013r in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i went through the original footage to get a good look at the watch.. from these pictures we can probably say that it is a apple watch and that it has a golden color.

  the color on the pin is black, and the band is white, grey, silvery or beige.. .

  the pin is in the exact place for it to be a apple watch.. only apple watch edition have the gold color.

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  I dont know if anyone else has talked about this on any of the apple watch threads, but doesn't the Watchtower recommended Apple tablets? Is it possible that they got some swag for doing so? They do the same things with hotel rooms (get free rooms for throwing business to the hotel while the rank and file overpay)
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  i feel more confused than ever

  by BlackWolf in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  well i know i've been posting a lot of topics like this lately and i'm sorry if i sound whiny or annoying.

  my parents were asking me why i was so upset lately and i ended up just telling them the whole truth.

  i told them i don't believe in god or the bible because i don't have any evidence of anything.

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  LisaRose

  You are very young, you don't have to figure this all our right this moment. Of course it's confusing when your parents say one thing, your JW friends say one thing, then you come here and we believe something different. I think you know in your heart and mind where the truth is, you just need time to absorb it all. Put this on the back burner for a while, I think you will gain clarity.

  But don't stop asking questions and don't push your doubts away because it's confusing right now. Listen to your own conscience, don't let any one tell you what you should believe, not your parents, not your friends, not even us. It's your life

  Right now you are probably going to the meetings. While you are there look for the inconsistencies, the logical fallacies, the things that just plain don't make sense. Question everything. Once you know how cults work you will easily be able to spot see how you and your parents have been manipulated. Knowledge is power.

  So for now, just obey your parents, go to the meetings etc., but don't forget what you have learned, be prepared for when you are an adult and can make your own decisions. Don't get baptized, it would be wrong with your current doubts and you need to keep your options open. Focus on your education.