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  DF'ed arrival/departure times at meetings

  by dubstepped in

  1. jw
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  i didn't want to derail another thread, but something said made me wonder.

  i know that i noticed df'ed people come in right when the meeting started and leave right when it left most of the time.

  is that some sort of actual rule?

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  LisaRose

  It's awkward for every one involved to have a disfellowshipped person sitting in the Kingdom Hall *NOT* being talked to. It's not normal human behavior to shun another human who you know. It's especially excruciating for the disfellowshipped person, so why would they get there any earlier than they had to?
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  Thoughts during the meeting today

  by stephanie61092 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  while i'm politely sitting during the meeting today, restraining myself from rolling my eyes as the brother drones on about how "having an independent spirit is devilish in nature" and "independence from gods organization only results in pain and strife", i only have one thought going through my mind over and over.

  "what would happen if i pulled out a gun and blew my brains out in this kingdom hall?".

  would anyone notice or care?

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  LisaRose

  I am sure it must painful sitting there as an outcast, and of course that is the point. They want it to hurt, they want to break you so that you bend to their will and never have an independent thought ever again, that's how cults work. it's how they maintain control, not just of you but of the others as well. If you can make people be deliberately cruel to another person you have made them more likely to stay in the cult, as people will then have to justify their cruel behavior to themselves, they Then must believe there was a good reason.

  I am sure the others would be shocked and saddened if you did something like that, but they would find a way to justify the cruelty in their mind, they would have to in order to live with themselves. Cognitive dissonance would not allow them to see their culpability.

  I know it was just a passing thought, but I can't help but be concerned for you well being. I hope you have a support system of people that can help you get through this. While shunning is considered normal in the JW world, it's not normal behavior, it's one of the most hurtful things you can do to a person. Perhaps there is a support group you can join? You shouldn't have to go through this alone. I also highly recommend meditation. it's something you can do while sitting at the Kingdom Hall and could help you get through the next few months (you do not have to close your eyes to meditate, so no one would know).

  I am always available via PM if you need to vent.
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  I have too much crap!! How to declutter/dehoard.....

  by Muddy Waters in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  some areas of our home are very nice, tidy, clean.

  and other rooms are just junk and clutter and clothes and papers.... omg.

  and now that we are getting older, we realize that we face a time of transition -- and this is hard to cope with too, as we believed the lie that we would never get old, etc.

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  LisaRose

  I move about every ten years, it sort of forces you to purge. My husband's parents had to move after living sixty years in the same place, it was awful. My father in law didn't get rid of anything, and put off every decision to the last minute. Just keep reminding yourself that it's only THINGS, and things are not important, your relationships and freedom to have an orderly life are far important than any material possession. If it isn't usefor and doesn't bring you joy, get rid of it, no matter how much you paid for it or who gave it to you.

  I like Blondie's four box method, simple and doable. Another resource is the fly lady, http://flylady.net/. It's a forum for people that have trouble cleaning and organizing. She recommends something called the 27 fling boogie. You get a trash bag and pick out 27 things to throw away. You just keep doing that, a bit at a time so you don't get overwhelmed.
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  Do you think JWN members would be surprised if they got to know you in real life?

  by nicolaou in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i don't think you'd recognise me much at all.

  i'm a royal mail postman, i love my job for the early starts and midday finish, the outdoors and the exercise.. i get on with people but i'm quite insular and don't enjoy crowds.

  i'm happiest when i've fired up the charcoal and i'm making souvlaki or adana kebabs for my family and a few close friends.

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  LisaRose

  I am not much different in real life, although some might be surprised that on any given day I am often covered in paint. I have a small business fixing up old furniture and making things out of reclaimed wood, it's pretty messy, I have a workshop in my garage where I assemble and paint. I also buy and sell some antiques, I have space at an antique mall. I don't make a lot of money but it keeps me off the streets, lol.

  My husbandand and I enjoy going to the movies, eating out and gardening. I enjoy sudoku, spider solitare and reading. I have a cat, Lizzie, she got sick this week, I thought she was a goner. Apparently she had a gallbladder attack, stopped eating and drinking, I had to force feed her. Fortunately she pulled through and seems fine now. Being as I don't have an outside job, she keeps me company, so I don't know what I would do without her. She enjoys music, stealing things and makes up games to keep herself amused, her favorite thing is to find ways to punk mom. She lays in wait to grab my ankles from under the bed, sneaks up behind the couch to smack me on the head, etc.

  That my life, pretty boring.
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  Stephen Lett at our assembly today

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  he delivered the most cultic piece of propaganda i've ever seen in an assembly.

  wife typed up the whole thing.

  i will be posting when i get a chance.

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  LisaRose

  Moses had a speech impediment. God doesnt choose what we think he should choose. His advice was sound.

  Yes, Jehovah doesn't choose what we think he should choose, but does that mean we abandon all critical thinking? There is a huge difference between a speech impediment, which doesn't affect your thinking processes, and whatever is going on with Lett. There are a number of very good leaders and speakers in the organization, intelligent and well spoken, true believers (even if mislead, in my opinion), so why would Jehovah choose this clown over them?

  There are many people joining lately who are here directly as a result of these videos, they can no longer believe in an organization that would choose this person as a leader, as there is obviously something very wrong with him. Seriously, what would it take for you to lose faith in the governing body if these videos do not do so? Does his overly animated expressions and simplistic speaking skills not bother you at all? What would it take to make you question things?
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  Time Machine

  by HB in

  1. social
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  caveat 1: those who believe jesus is truly the son of god may wish to avoid this post.

  although my thoughts are only proposed for mild amusement and interest and in no way intended to offend, for some, the concept behind the idea may be an affront to preciously held beliefs.

  if that’s likely to be the case, kindly just don’t read.

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  LisaRose

  I have ever avoided theological comments here. But, Jesus doing tricks? Like healing the blind the lame and the bleeding?
  No comments please but I feel you are going heavy on the guy.

  Is it really that much of a stretch to imagine Jesus was more like a Pentecostal faith healer than someone who could actually do miracles? You have never played the game telephone? People from a line and person one whispers something to person two, who whispers to person three, etc. By the end, the first statement bears no resemblance to what is understood by the last person. People have fluid memories, we are not tape recorders, and people of that time were far less sophisticated than now, easily manipulated into believing they were seeing something extraordinary. It wouldn't have been been very difficult for someone to fool them into believing they saw a miracle, which could have easily been exaggerated in the retelling.

  If I wanted to be the alternate Jesus, I would bring a big batch of antibiotics, to make people believe I could heal the sick. I would carry a few books containing a list of (for them) of future events, which I could sell to the highest bidder once I proved it was accurately predicting the future. I would have books on modern medicine, electricity and other scientific advances, but using solar power. I would throw in a few magicians sleight of hand trick to impress the masses. Then, when I had amassed enough power and influence and built up an organization I would have told them about evolution and the scientific method and told them to top believing in fairy tales. I would have told them to stop treating women as property and stop using slavery.
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  Stephen Lett at our assembly today

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  he delivered the most cultic piece of propaganda i've ever seen in an assembly.

  wife typed up the whole thing.

  i will be posting when i get a chance.

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  LisaRose

  The fact that Letto the clown became the leader of any religion continues to astound me, I would not have voted for him for dog catcher. His exaggerated facial expressions make me uncomfortable, I have a hard time forcing myself to look. I can't decide if he is a simpleton, or evil incarnate, his rubber face a result of an unsuccessful attempt to hide a deficit of the soul. Either way he scares me. Had I still been a JW when he started making these videos I would have had to start asking myself some hard questions.
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  Is a piano inevitable?

  by slimboyfat in

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  i was at a concert last night and the presence and stature of the piano struck me.

  and i thought: if the piano wasn't invented when it was, would it have been invented by someone else instead?

  or if there was a world the same as our, except with a different history, would it have pianos now too or would it be modern world, similar in many respects, only without pianos?

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  LisaRose

  I was watching a movie the other night that had a plot line about the glass harp, a kind of musical instrument I had never heard of. It has bands of glass of different sizes or sometimes just wine glass of various sizes, which are played with a moistened finger. The sound is quite pretty, very ethereal.

  I think the piano would have been invented no matter what, it's just such a versatile instrument. On the other hand we may or may not have had a glass harp, although the sound is beautiful, it has limited applications.

  But then again maybe everything is inevitable, given enough time. There may be instruments yet to be invented, just waiting for the right person to come along to think of it.
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  Gay advice from the Governing Body

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  according to them you are not gay if you are attracted to the same sex, it's just hormones and you might grow out of it.. i wonder what hormones in particular they are talking about and if they feel that a female who goes through menopause is in danger of turning gay or even if taking hormones will adjust your thinking?.

  this is from the wt org website.

  https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/family/teenagers/ask/pressure-to-be-gay/.

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  LisaRose

  That would be funny if it weren't so tragic. There is zero evidence that being gay is a passing thing, this is horrible advice. I really feel for the gay JWs that might actually believe this nonsense.
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  how do most of you now feel about the military?

  by sowhatnow in

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  2. family

  was not sure where to post this, but i was curious, how do some of you now feel about the military?

  would any of you let your children enlist, or would you yourselves join any military field?

  how do you feel about the idea of women in the military?

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  LisaRose

  My husband is a retired Army warrant officer, my step son is a former marine, (currently in the army reserves) and my grandson is in the Air Force, I am proud of them all. My husband served in desert storm, my step son served in Iraq and Afghanistan. My airman grandson bravely serves in the cold of Minot, South Dakota, lol.

  As a JW I used to be dismissive of the military, but now I appreciate the sacrifice these men and women make to serve their country. There is a certain amount of hypocrisy in those like the JWs that look down on military service, because they wouldn't even have the priviledge of voicing that criticism if we were taken over by countries like North Korea.

  Those in the military might not even agree with the decisions made to send them to war, but they took a vow to serve and they do so, sometimes at great sacrifice to their personal lives, because if a country like the U.S. didn't have a strong military they would soon fall to those countries that want what we have. They do the job others aren't willing to do and deserve our respect.