Posts by LisaRose

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Fade Fail: Not as Easy as I'd Like

by Hadriel in

this has been tough.

very tough actually.

because i'm so integrated into things including certain tasks which i can't say as it would be a dead giveaway i find myself constantly bombarded by things.. i'm literally a lying every day.

LisaRose

I have a hard time being dishonest, so I feel your pain. But honestly does not compel us to say all truths, only to not say things that are untrue. Your thoughts are your own, you are not compelled to admit them. Can you think of some ambiguous statements that you could respond with that would maybe give a hint of your true feelings (but obviously nothing that would be considered apostate or that you would be called on ).

Like if someone says "The governing body is really looking out for us" you could say "Yes, they make sure we always know what we are supposed to think about things". It's true, but is a fraction more honest than they usually admit to.

Or answer a question with a question "Hmm...., Do you really think so?" .

Or just a non committal "hmmm, I suppose so".

Sometimes lack of confirmation could do more good to help people along in waking up than open confrontation. These people have been conditioned to think a certain way, contradicting them would not only out you, it would cause their fears of apostasy to kick in and become fearful, so not help them out at all. You would be doing something much more insidious.

You could think of yourself as a double agent, working to subtly undermine the organization, but without getting caught. It's not easy to do, it's a very fine line you would be crossing here, but it might make you feel better about yourself, that instead of letting people continue on with their delusions you are helping them wake up, even if ever so slowly.

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umbertoecho re the ARC

by umbertoecho in

hello to everyone.. i hope you are all well and sorting things out between yourselves.

i have temporary internet access which is probably a good thing for now.

i have been contacted by the arc in a respectful and loving manner today.

LisaRose

Well done!

We have had a number of new posters here lately, many of them report waking up because they watched the ARC and realized there was something drastically wrong with the organization, especially Jackson's lies that they don't think they represent God. So good has been all ready been done, you should be proud of your role in this, very proud.

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How many of you are health nuts?

by Harvard Illiterate 411 in

jw
friends

there was/is a sister in my old hall who was a pharmaceutical sales rep and she was a huge proponent of anything in the drug industry.

when someone had a headache, she was the first to say "take an asprin.

" now my husband and i are what you might call old hippies.

LisaRose

Where I live Trader Joe's or Costco has good prices on organic vegetables and chicken, some things are no more than non organic. Organic beef is usually too expensive, except for ground beef at Costco. Mostly I just don't eat beef much anymore anyway. There is a local meat market that grows their own beef, grass fed, but it's super expensive. Sometimes we splurge on some cooked meatballs their with French fries cooked in lard, both are super yummy. We gaze longingly at the $28 a pound steaks and say no. Organic chicken actually tastes better and is worth the extra. I will admit to buying the roasted non organic chicken at Costco, at $5.00 it's a loss leader and so convenient. I can usually get three, if not four meals out of a $5.00 chicken, it's a great budget stretcher and pretty good chicken.

I believe if you can afford it organic is worth the extra cost, but if you can't, well, you do what you have to.

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Closer/death/Funerals

by Leela1 in

hello all i am fairly new to this site even though i have been da since i was 16 years old i am now 35 years old.

i have had very little contact with my family since i left maybe a handful of times over the years.

i thought i put the past behind me and moved on i have 4 amazing kids of my own really supportive partner and great friends who have become my family.

LisaRose

I saw my mom a few months before she died, but then she said she wanted to die with a clean conscience and couldn't see me anymore. I did go to the funeral, I was even "allowed" to go to the reception afterword, although no one spoke to me. The usual JW hate you, but we are really just kind Christians thing.

It can be freeing to tell someone that has hurt you that they did, in fact, hurt you, and just for your own healing to forgive is good. But he may not agree to see you, so be aware. It's very unlikely he will give you anything positive. Personally I feel he was very abusive and I wouldn't volunteer for any more of it, but only you can know if it's the right thing for you.

Maybe just write him a letter and call it good.

Congratulations on moving on in your life a being a good parent, you have really risen above.

Lisa🌹

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How many of you are health nuts?

by Harvard Illiterate 411 in

jw
friends

there was/is a sister in my old hall who was a pharmaceutical sales rep and she was a huge proponent of anything in the drug industry.

when someone had a headache, she was the first to say "take an asprin.

" now my husband and i are what you might call old hippies.

LisaRose

I eat organic when practical, depending on the cost difference and whether I am going to eat the peel of fruits and vegetables. Organic tastes better and has less pesticide residue, it's hard for me to feel pesticides are a good thing in the diet. I also feel it's better for the environment.

There is a case in the news where A USDA inspector is out of a job because he started raising concerning about pesticides being the cause of the decrease in bee populations. They say it's because he didn't get prior approval for travel, although it's not uncommon for that to happen with others due to time constraints. It's obvious that big business doesn't want people to know the price of pesticides use.

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Haemaphilliac Doctor talks of JW neighbours cruelty

by Diogenesister in

i got my fingers burnt last time i copied a post from reddit, but this one made me so mad i had to show you guys.

i think its possible that the witnesses antagonism was exaggerated in his child's mind, never-the-less any nastiness to a sick child is beyond the pale.

the hospital i trained in lost nearly every last one of its 500 haemaphilliacs to aids - i think around 30 survived from this era.http://www.modernluxury.com/san-francisco/story/when-doctors-need-doctors-after-dodging-death-sentence-looking-cure.

LisaRose

Most adult Witnesses would probably know not to say such things, but I can imagine children saying this, they don't know to hide what they really believe from non JW's. Obviously they didn't say he would go to hell, but they probably did say he would be destroyed by God at Armageddon, to a child not familiar with Watchtower theology, it probably sounded like the same thing.

I doubt he imagined the whole thing because how would he know how JWs feel about transfusions otherwise?

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Heil Trump. Sieg Heil.

by oppostate in

crowd looking like they're doing the heil hitler salute to trump when he asks for a pledge and swear their support while calling for broadening torture laws.

trump asks backers to swear their support, vows to broaden torture laws.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/05/politics/donald-trump-florida-pledge-torture/.

LisaRose

et's get real...not all of Trump's supporters are racist. In fact, all the ones on my FB friends list I know support Trump are good people. That SNL video is just one big SJW Ad Hominem attack. "We don't like Trump and we don't like that he's being taken seriously, so we're going to call all of his supporters Nazis and KKK racists."

I agree, not all who support Trump are overt racists, it's a little more complex than that, but you cannot deny that that is at least part of his appeal. There is a reason people like David Duke are giving him support. People at least have to be comfortable with Trumps many racially intolerant statements to support him, it doesn't make them exactly racially sensitive.

As far as SNL, it's a comedy show, they do parody, it's by its nature going to be exaggerated. I personally didn't find it that funny, as Hitler and the KKK are not things to joke about, in my opinion.

The supporters I've actually spoken to, face to face, are just people that are mad at establishment politicians. They view voting for Trump as a way to send a message to Washington that they're tired of the status quo.

Yeah, I get that and agree, but are they so willing to send a message they are willing to put an idiot in the White House? This man is not presidential material. The man is thinned skinned, he can't take criticism, and you know he is lying when his lips are moving. I don't find that presidential. One journalist called him a "sausage fingered vulgarian". For years afterwords Trump sent him photos of himself with his hands circled in gold felt tip, trying to prove there was nothing wrong with his hands. Jamie Oliver has been critical of him, so Trump was irked and bragged that they asked him to be on his show four times. The fact is they have never asked him to be on the show, yet Trump can sit there and lie about it with a straight face. Why lie about something so trivial and petty? How is he going to handle being President when people will be criticising him day and night? Supposedly he had a fax sent from the BBB during the debates proving his Trump university had a A rating. The only problem is the BBB denies sending such a fax. They have no file now, because it's closed, but when it was open the rating varied from A- To D. These are serious credibility issues.

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Heil Trump. Sieg Heil.

by oppostate in

crowd looking like they're doing the heil hitler salute to trump when he asks for a pledge and swear their support while calling for broadening torture laws.

trump asks backers to swear their support, vows to broaden torture laws.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/05/politics/donald-trump-florida-pledge-torture/.

LisaRose

He is a disgusting, hateful man that appeals to the lowest common denominator. From all the dislikes on any comment that is not positive about him it appears we have a lot here that support him.

I want to ask those of you that like him why that is? What do you imagine he will do as president that will improve this country?

You do realize that illegal immigration has slowed down in recent years? That there are less illegal immigrants now than ten years ago? That the big beautiful wall he imagines he will build will cost billions more than he thinks? Where do you imagine that money will come from? You do realize a president cannot pass a budget on his own? Illegal immigration is a complex subject that defies simple solutions, a wall will not fix it, no matter how big. This problem got that way because there has been no political will to solve it, electing Trump will not change that.

Is it just enough that he hates Muslims? That he approves of torture? Do you not know that very little usable Intel is ever gotten that way? Do you imagine dropping bombs on Muslims will fix the problem of terrorism? It won't, there isn't enough bombs in the world, all you will do is start another expensive, uwinable war, you will simply create more terrorists. After the disaster that was Iraq you really want another President that is itching to start another war on Muslims?

Trump is not the brilliant businessman he purports to be. His father set him up in business with millions in loan guarantees, he is not a self made man and his business failures are as common as his successes. He doesn't even have a financial stake in many of the buildings that carry his name. Trump is just very, very good at self promotion. He has proven he can lie, about everything, with a straight face and bravado. He knows his followers don't care, and he appears to be right.

I should be happy he is winning the Republican nomination, as it guarantees a win for Hilary, but it just makes me angry that so many in this country are willing to vote for this worm. Immigrants are not the biggest problem we face in this country and even if it was this man is not the solution. When people are asked why they support him they say "he tells it like it is" or "he is good at business, so he will be good at running the country". The problem is he doesn't "tell it like it is" he "tells it like people want it to be" , at least some people and business success doesn't necessarily translate to political success, even if he was a brilliant businessman, which he is not.

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been their, done that

by olongapo joe in

ok, i was never baptized, raised jw from one yr old till 15 yr old, never really believed, joined u.s. navy at 20 yr old.

i used to think(still do) how much the jw organization was like the military!

to advance, you have to hit certain marks, ( for the military you need high marks in physical fitness) (( could that be field service for jw's?

LisaRose

My husband is a retired army warrant officer, I sometimes see correlations between his military service and my time as a JW, they were both a big part of our life's, affected who we were friends with and how we lived our lives in a huge way. The Big difference being he got paid and now has a retirement income and health benefits for life for his twenty five years, while I have nothing to show for my thirty years of servitude.

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Faith and Lies.

by sparrowdown in

if you were hooked up to a polygraph machine when you were still an asleep, kool-aid drinking dub and asked if you agree 100% with every single wt teaching (asked as individual questions and collectively), would you have "passed" with no signs of deception?.

i know, i definitely would not have "passed" such an interegation.

i would have tripped up on questions about blood, dfing and non jws being marked for destruction just to name a few.

LisaRose

I never got the ban on birthdays, their logic seemed a little weak. I also never understood the need for all those meetings, field service, study, etc. As a working mom I sat down and did the math and figured if I did everything I was supposed to I would have fifteen minutes in the week left to call my own. I kind of gave up even trying at that point, so obviously I didn't totally believe in it, although it would be another ten years before I left completely.