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  Part One of what could be a long introduction

  by LifesNotOver in

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  hello - let me try to explain.

  a couple of months ago or so i joined this forum, then shortly after checked out jwrecovery which seemed a better fit personally and joined them.

  started to feel comfortable there and they closed, and i pouted for a while.

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  LisaRose

  Welcome. I look forward to reading more of your story, when and if you are able to share, until then know that you are among friends.

  Lisa 🌹
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  here i am

  by notalone in

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  i was a 4th gen born in.my adult children were the 5th.

  my mother was one of the newly'anointed' we have all left.

  i have been lurking since october.i was really too terrified someone would find out who i was and what would happen.well we are out now so here is a part of my story.

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  LisaRose

  Welcome. I am so sorry you had to find out the truth about the truth in such a painful way, but glad you were able to see through the lies and find your way to freedom, especially since you were able to get your whole family out as well.

  Welcome also to your new life, I hope you enjoy every minute of your newfound freedoms.

  Lisa🌹
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  New Here ... Just woke up

  by Sevan in

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  hey all, .

  this is my first post.

  i haven't been out in service or to a meeting in over a month.. i realize now that i've been having serious questions for years and many articles and talks have greatly disturbed me over the years.

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  LisaRose

  Hello and welcome to the forum. You wrote a very nice introduction, it's wonderful to read about your spiritual journey, good for you for finding your way to the real truth. It's not always easy to see through the lies and to follow your conscience, so good for you. I agree that disfellowshipping is cruel and not justified by the scriptures.

  Lisa 🌹
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  spiritual crisis

  by indi7 in

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  two years ago i had a kundalini experience.

  i felt energy or chi pulsate through each of my chakras, from the base of the spine to the crown of the head, then back, after that i felt like a newborn for three days.

  i felt like i was reborn spiritually and god gave me a new name - indi.

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  LisaRose

  I am sorry you are going through this, my heart goes out to you. There are many things that can make you hear voices. What is important is to know is that this is something you cannot figure out by yourself. At this point you know that you cannot trust those voices, so consult a doctor and get some help. Please do that.

  Lisa 🌹
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  It won’t be much longer now.

  by Tameria2001 in

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  a couple weeks back my husband got a phone call from his brother, whom he hasn’t spoken to in nearly 17 years.

  well i take that back, he did speak to him at the family reunion, asking him to leave.

  my husband basically told him to f off, he would leave when he’s darn good and ready, but he didn’t use the word darn.

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  LisaRose

  Go and hold your head high and don't worry about anyone else. Yes, they will be bothered, because they don't understand it when people leave the religion and and doing well, but that shouldn't be your motivation. Your motivation is that you are doing the right thing in supporting your husband, and taking the higher road and being the better person.
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  Dallas Texas 5 Police Officers dead & 6 wounded ?

  by smiddy in

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  and it is still ongoing ?.

  obviously sparked off by the 2 afro american citizens gunned down by police officers these past few days.?.

  when is this sort of violence going to end ?.

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  LisaRose

  hy would anyone assume these criminal gunmen, who shot the cops, got these guns legally?
  Why would anyone think that, if guns were outlawed for citizens, that events like this would not happen? The Boston Bombers used a pressure cooker. Should we ban pressure cookers?

  Well, some countries are getting nuclear weapons. Should we just throw our hands up and say, Oh well, North Korea can get them, so anybody can, let's just give up, because we aren't going to win?

  An extreme example, but just following your logic. There is no reason for any private citizen to have high capacity weapons. End. Of. Story. We could have banned them years ago and greatly reduced the number now floating around, but some people don't see the difference between gun control and gun bans and fight even common sense gun legislation. As long as we have a powerful gun lobby and a congress that refuses to act, we will keep getting what we are getting. That you will never get rid of them all is a red herring, you can and will get rid of a lot of them and make them much harder to obtain.
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  What is the current suicide and mental illness rate among JWs and previous members

  by 060702015 in

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  there seems to be no current data on this information and there is questions concerning the validation of past data.

  apparently there is high rate of mental illness and suicide.

  jehovahs witnesses suicide rate 5 to 10 times above average.

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  LisaRose

  Are the mental illnesses preexisiting? or develops within or after leaving the organization ?

  I think a little of both. I think the religion attracts people that are struggling, but I also think their teachings cause some people to suffer to a certain extent. I think if you are talking about more serious issues, like schizophrenia or bipolar, then there has to be some kind of predisposition, it's unlikely that the religion could cause it, although it might make it worse. But if you are talking depression, then it's possible they could cause it, it's a religion of guilt. I think in most cases it's a combination of both, nature and nurture.

  With my daughter I have to say I can't blame her issues entirely on the religion, she was always going to be different. But when you have a child who worries about everything, having her exposed to the concept of Armageddon on a regular basis was probably not a healthy thing. She was about seven or eight when the Yearbook about the JWs in the concentration camp came out. She obsessed about being put in a concentration camp for a year. But did that cause her issues? Who knows? Most children were obviously not affected in that way. Maybe she was the canary in the coal mine, maybe she would have turned out the same anyway. She also obsessed about growing up and having to pay taxes, she actually cried on her birthday because she had to get older and pay taxes. She's fine now btw.

  
  

  
  
  
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  Did I open the gate to the realm of demons?

  by redpilltwice in

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  this is what happened.

  i had a sore tendon in my wrist.

  i could work with it, but nevertheless the pain was there.

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  LisaRose

  My neighbors told me this story. They got a Newfoundland dog for nothing because she had a genetic defect and wasn't expected to live for more than a year or two. They were walking the dog when someone they didn't know walked up to the dog and put her hands on it. The woman then said. "Your dog was sick, but I fixed her". The dog lived to a ripe old age. Well, a ripe age for a hundred and fifty pound dog.
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  What is the current suicide and mental illness rate among JWs and previous members

  by 060702015 in

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  there seems to be no current data on this information and there is questions concerning the validation of past data.

  apparently there is high rate of mental illness and suicide.

  jehovahs witnesses suicide rate 5 to 10 times above average.

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  LisaRose

  Not sure why you think this is an inevitable outcome of such disorders.

  I don't, not at all. Things arent as bad as they used to be, but there is still a stigma to being mentally ill and an attitude that the religion should be enough to fix your problems. I have been out for a while, but from what I read here, things havent changed that much, its not acceptable to admit you are unhappy.
  Given the distrust of "worldly" authority, the belief that they live in a "spiritual paradise" and their fear of "bringing reproach upon Jehovah", its not hard to make a case that Jehovahs Witnesses are less likely to get adequate mental health care than average. So using only statistics on how many Jehovahs Witness seek mental health care is not really a good indicator of whether they actually have more or less mental illness than average.
  
  
  
  
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  What is the current suicide and mental illness rate among JWs and previous members

  by 060702015 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  there seems to be no current data on this information and there is questions concerning the validation of past data.

  apparently there is high rate of mental illness and suicide.

  jehovahs witnesses suicide rate 5 to 10 times above average.

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  LisaRose

  The criterion for mental illness and depression was that the person had been admitted to a mental hospital or had been treated by a psychiatrist. That is an objective criterion and you do not need to understand mental illness to reach the conclusions he did.

  As everyone knows, the religion discourages people from consulting psychologists or psychiatrists, so that you can't reliably use this as criteria for determining mental illness in this religion. Someone who is experienced in these kind of studies and impartial would have figured that out, but Rolf is not impartial and not experienced, he is too close to the subject to see clearly.

  Jehovah's Witnesses are told that just about any problem can be fixed by more study, meetings, prayer and field service and to be wary of "worldly" therapists. I know of many Jehovah's Witnesses that were obviously suffering from some kind of mental illness but who never got treatment of any kind. Elders have no training in therapy or counseling and are not qualified to determine if someone needs treatment, and most JWs will consult an elder before going to any kind of therapy.

  And your statement that you don't need experience in mental health to interpret statistics on mental health is patently ridiculous. As the Mark Twain quote goes, there are three kinds of lies; lies, damn lies and statistics. Statistics have to be interpreted to be meaningful, and how good can the interpretation be if the person involved has no training in the field and worse, is obviously biased?

  This whole study is a fraud in my opinion.