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  Fear of Dying

  by SplaneThisToMe in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  did anyone else develop a weird fear of dying and death after leaving jw?

  i recently left and have realized for the first time in my life that i’m not going to live forever.

  anyone else have these same feelings toward discovering your own mortality?

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  LisaRose

  No, not really. I was never confident of my being "good enough" to think I would make it through Armageddon. I never really had much of a fear of dying, since I had no fear of hellfire. Once I realized it was all just a bunch of nonsense I totally lost all fear of dying at armageddon.
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  They still manage to find me.

  by blisterfeet in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i grew up a jw, left at about 17 years old..(i'm 33 now) a little over a year ago i moved 1000 miles away from where i grew up.

  today i "ran" into someone in the same congregation as my dad... like how is that even possible?!?!?

  he was very kind, mentioned the borg but only in ways that related to his life.. his daughter is a pioneer, my dad gives "the best" comments at the meetings, my sister is awesome.. blah blah blah... .

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  LisaRose

  Coincidences do happen. I remember a story someone once told me. He was in a crowded bar in New Orleans. He looks down and sees a wallet on the floor. He picks it up and is surprised to see it belongs to someone he knows....years ago, in New York City. He remembers that this person was quite tall, looks around and sees the person is still in the bar, happy reunion ensues.

  Another funny co-wink-a-dink. It's western dress day at work. Someone compliments another on their nice cowboy hat. She says she was getting on the freeway after a Garth Brooks concert when someone in the limousine in front of them stands up in the open roof. His hat blows off, the limo moves on, the person pulls over and retrieves the hat.

  The person who originally gave the compliment says "no way. I was in (nearby city) that night in a bar. One of the very drunk people next to me says "Yeah, dumba$$ here stood up in the limo and his hat blew off".

  Wierd stuff happens. Don't read too much into it.
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  My 13 YO opened up to me about her memories of attending a memorial service

  by nonjwspouse in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  she was only around five when she last attended.

  it was just when i began the "for real" investigation about the jw and watchtower, previously believing the public face.

  i would agree to go with my husband so his mother could show off her grandchild.

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  LisaRose

  Good for you for making this a learning experience for your daughter. You could have been very negative, but instead you let her express herself and think through her experience and let her come to terms with it. It could have been something toxic in her life, as things which are sensitive subjects are sometimes not talked about and become more damaging as a result.

  My daughter was raised in it and she still knew that something wasn't right.
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  What would you say?

  by Freedom rocks in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if you had 2 minutes with an old witness friend or with a family member to convince them the 'truth' is a lie and the gb isnt being directed by god what would you say to get their attention that might make them question their beliefs?.

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  LisaRose

  I would ask them why they still follow a religion that has a 100% failure rate on predicting the end of this system of things. If any other religion had done the same they would call them a false phrophet, why does the WTBTS get a pass?
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  Sister may have had a slight heart attack, do I text her?

  by Xanthippe in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so my cousin phoned and told me my jw sister was taken to hospital with chest pains and it may have been a slight heart attack or possibly she's starting with angina.

  now as some of you know my sisters and brother have had little to do with me for 29 years.

  we've met at funerals, or arranged them, but i just thought today what if she did die?

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  LisaRose

  I am glad your sister responded to your text. I hate to see any family torn apart by this hateful cult, anything we can do to combat that is good.

  I think there are a few reasons a health trauma hits JWs harder than others. For one, it reminds them that they may very well die in this system, something they didn't think would happen. It also sidelines them, at least for a while, from theocratic activities. They may then find themselves being judged by others for slacking off, or at the least realize that they are quickly forgotten by the congregation. This is a religion that shoots their wounded, which can be a painful realization.
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  Anyone watching Star Trek Discovery?

  by Coded Logic in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  so i've been watching the show and really enjoying it.

  great to see a trek tv series finally get a reasonable budget.

  beautiful costumes, sets, cinematography, action pieces, etc.. really my only complaints are how cg all the ships look and there's a fair bit of stiff dialog from time to time.. what do you guys think of the show?.

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  LisaRose

  I haven't watched it yet, but may give CBS all access a try. We have been doing more streaming of late, hardly watch network TV much anymore. I've been a Trekkie from the get go, I remember watching the debut episode of the original and being immediately hooked.

  Did anyone see the season four, first episode of Black Mirror (Callister) ? It had a very funny plot where a game developer created his private game version of a star trek like universe, where he gets to be the captain and relive all his favorite episodes. Unlike most Black Mirror stories it had a happy ending, along with some very Star Trek like plot lines and cheesy special effects like the original.
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  Couldn't the GB have foreseen "spiritual endangerment" taking hold with Internet approval?

  by compound complex in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  having listened to the two gb helpers (and cedar's interspersed commentary), i was somewhat taken aback at the comments on the widespread availability of smartphones and such at bethel.

  of course, in the congregations, too.

  br.

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  LisaRose

  I think this was a battle they were never going to win. They could no more have stopped the tide of easy internet access via cell phones and tablets than they could have stopped people from having television sets fifty years ago. The technology is just too seductive and easy to obtain and so many people need it for their jobs or businesses. They knew this and developed their web site content in an attempt to control and direct what people were doing with those phones and tablets, but they were never going to be completely successful at that.
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  How do you deal with "toppers"? [one upmanship]

  by compound complex in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  when in conversion, you sometimes get carried away and the talk becomes all about you.. then, you remember you're in a conversation, say you're sorry, and allow the other person to talk.

  she goes on about what's happening in her life, you listen and ask some questions.

  she tells you more and then shifts the dialogue back to you.

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  LisaRose

  Makes me think of this Month Python sketch, the four Yorkshiremen, where they try to top each other with how bad they had it as children.

  MP: Aye. In them days, we'd a' been glad to have the price of a cup o' tea.

  GC: A cup ' COLD tea.

  EI: Without milk or sugar.

  TJ: OR tea!

  MP: In a filthy, cracked cup.

  EI: We never used to have a cup. We used to have to drink out of a rolled up newspaper.

  GC: The best WE could manage was to suck on a piece of damp cloth.

  https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=monty+python+we+were+so+poor&view=detail&mid=DD060CA70BE85FC47749DD060CA70BE85FC47749&FORM=VIRE
  
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  What was your trigger to waking up ?

  by CovertsadJW in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  good afternoon , .

  i wanted to ask everyone here , what was your trigger to waking up ?

  i have been waking up for a long time , but in looking back it’s hard for me to look at one event and say “ ah ha “ , i think mine is like a slow leak - like a crack in a damn - and then hold on , because after that it’s just a flood of information.

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  LisaRose

  It was many things:

  Reading that the Watchtower had joined the UN, with the excuse in the Kingdom ministry that they needed to use the library. It's not a big deal now, but when I joined back in the late sixties, the U.N. was considered an evil thing. Considering how the religion instructed JWs in Arica to die rather than buy a political card, it seemed weird and hypocritical.

  The realization that you could never, ever do enough to not feel guilty and that this was deliberate. You were expected to to preach as much as possible, but the preaching work was ineffective and futile and just a big waste of time.

  The complete lack of warmth of caring in the congregation, and feeling marginalized because my husband was disfellowshipped.

  The straw that broke the camels back was looking back over my life and realizing that the advice I had been given, to stay in a bad marriage, was really, really terrible advice and had done nothing except make me miserable and give my children a bad example of what marriage could be.
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  Pillowgate - John Cedars

  by CitizenofEarth in

  1. social
  2. humour

  is this true?

  is this really true?!.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qirjv48c55m.

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  LisaRose

  Thanks, I haven't laughed that hard in a while, it's just too precious.